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If I want to do a voiceover of a ten minute video, I can type out the transcript and produce a flawless one-take audio track. This saves hours of time finding a quiet place to record, saying the lines, having a good mic, doing post-recording cleanup to remove coughs or passing airplane noise, multiple takes because I goofed a word up, etc.

I don’t know if this is the best use of the tech we’ve found yet, but it’s already a huge time saver.


I create internal training videos ant my job and that’s the use case as well. Not many people want to have their voice used and it’s easier and way faster for me to have an ai produce a voice than to get someone to do it for me.


Last sentence of section 39 makes it look like all you have to do is remain silent for 6 hours to be released. I'm not a lawyer.


Refusing to answer the questions is a crime. Once you've committed a crime, the examination part can give way to the "You're under arrest" part.


> give way to the "You're under arrest" part.

At least then you get a lawyer, and don't have to say anything, and don't have to give any passwords


Sure, but you're also on video committing the crime in front of police officers. The lawyer isn't going to help you get out of the charge for not answering questions, and if they still want your passwords the judge will absolutely just order you to give them up and keep stacking prison sentences until you comply.


>don't have to give any passwords.

That's an offence.


Then once you’re arrested you can have a lawyer.


Nor would you be allowed a lawyer


Name and shame the company, my man!


Do you have any evidence that video conferencing software is being data mined for these types of metrics?


We do. The politicians actively support it because they are pro-cop.


Nope.

You can't just walk into any bank branch you have an account with an expect to withdraw 10s of thousands of dollars without notice.

Also, there are tons of people with online only banks. No physical branches at all!


You'd have to arrange it at a branch. Why would you not pick one at your destination?

I'm not saying it never happens, it's just extremely suss.


I think the idea is that you would need to call ahead to any branch. Why not use one closer to the transaction.


Horses were at the very heart of the American economy for over a hundred years, until the invention of steam power.

Technology destroys old industries and creates new ones.


I just bought a Quest Pro this weekend and was hoping to get something like this running.

Apple should do the right thing and support early VisionOS development using the Quest Pro.


You must be new to the Apple developer ecosystem? It'll take an anti-trust judgement to get them to allow development on non-Apple platforms.


Yeah, I'd love to see the day when I could build iOS apps on Windows and on Linux, just like I can for Android.


Yes, the government should force Apple to release an SDK for other platforms.


I'm assuming that this was </s>?

Releasing supported SDKs is expensive as hell.

If anyone insists on forcing me to run myself into penury and put myself in legal jeopardy, just to support my competitors, then I would close up shop.

However, Apple has a wee bit more clout than I do. I suspect that it would not happen.


Apple's setup is basically "you can only cook pancakes made in an Apple mixing bowl on an Apple skillet" and Apple controls 63% of the skillet market in America. I have other mixing bowls that work perfectly fine for making pancakes, Apple is using its monopoly power to force people into buying their mixing bowls.


Macs account for 31.34% of US desktop operating systems. Desktops are where app development happens.

If your contention is that 31% is a monopoly then… you’re incorrect.

Their mobile OS share is 57.28% in the US btw, tho it’s barely 32% globally.


Of course it was sarcasm. It surprises me how willing much of the technical HN crowd is wanting the government to have more power.


As an engineer; I want homogeneity, interoperability and lower cost/effort to ship features. We can see that the market also wants this and that's probably why everything is now an Electron app.

As a consumer; I want an affordable, high quality product that supports all of the software/games I like to use.

The task of getting my MacBook to run Linux and play video games is massive on the part of Apple. I understand that interplay is intricate, complex and expensive to implement so it's not fair to force Apple to implement anything they don't want to - for instance have the government declare Vulcan a mandatory standard for all OSes.

As someone who values the freedom we have to innovate, I don't know what the right way to convince everyone to play nicely together is but ultimately it's about stimulating competition to drive innovation.

The current environment stifles innovation, either through ring fencing developers/users or adding a storefront/marketplace tax to distributing a product, killing new products before they get off the ground.

The Apple Silicon hardware is remarkable, but outside of web browsing, basic web development and video editing - it's artificially limited in it's capabilities.

Windows is a dumpster fire, holding onto market share due to its mammoth support for software and Microsoft won't improve Windows unless there is competition.

Perhaps the solution is not to force "platform" companies to build anything, but instead think of software like we did old school repairable hardware and implement regulations that require vendors to offer the equivalent of schematics.

Perhaps regulations that require platform developers to distribute their software/drivers under permissive open source licenses such that people can implement competing platforms. That way no one is compelled to do anything but if a disruptor (like say, SteamOS or Asahi) wants to compete, they can freely build a better product without needing to reverse engineer APIs and worry about getting sued.

Perhaps OS vendors be regulated such that they must offer a means for third party software to be run. That way developers could distribute for platforms through their own marketing efforts and the value proposition for OS marketplaces/app stores is a better ROI - rather than being "the only option"

Perhaps hardware should be regulated such that it's "jail-breakable". That way disruptors could offer competing platforms that are compatible with the original (like the ROMs available on some Android devices, or Ubuntu OS or something).

...Or maybe that would disincentivize the giants from building anything because there's nothing other than investing in innovation that would protect them from losing market share

I'm not advocating to open source all the things under GPL or something - feel free to keep Photoshop, Word and The Witcher 3 closed source - we just need some kind of balance that lets me, as a consumer, have choices so that the giants can fight it out and build the best products.


> As an engineer; I want homogeneity, interoperability and lower cost/effort to ship features.

And as an engineer you should know that the best products never come from a committee or standardization. Bluetooth is a shit show. Apple’s implementation on top of Bluetooth is remarkable.

> We can see that the market also wants this and that's probably why everything is now an Electron app.

Do you really want to cite Electron apps as an example of how great interoperability is?

> As someone who values the freedom we have to innovate, I don't know what the right way to convince everyone to play nicely together is but ultimately it's about stimulating competition to drive innovation.

You have all of the freedom you want. You can buy a PinePhone and a Framework laptop.

> The Apple Silicon hardware is remarkable, but outside of web browsing, basic web development and video editing - it's artificially limited in it's capabilities.

Yet millions of people use Macs for development of Android and iOS apps, music and video editing, basic productivity, etc.

> Perhaps OS vendors be regulated such that they must offer a means for third party software to be run. That way developers could distribute for platforms through their own marketing efforts and the value proposition for OS marketplaces/app stores is a better ROI - rather than being "the only option"

Or alternatively, people can use their own free will and choose a more “open” alternative.


> And as an engineer you should know that the best products never come from a committee or standardization.

That's literally my argument, lol

> Do you really want to cite Electron apps as an example of how great interoperability is?

Never said it was good, only that it's an example of the market driven need for platform interoperability of software.

My point was actually that Electron is bad and the fact that platform providers don't play well together is the reason why we, as consumers, must suffer Electron apps.

> Or alternatively, people can use their own free will and choose a more “open” alternative.

The idea is to stimulate competition, open or otherwise, to give consumers more choice and make startups/disruptors more likely to succeed. For instance, try install Uber on a PinePhone.

For example - it shouldn't require a multi-billion dollar company investing at a loss, risking lawsuits, to disrupt the gaming market away from Windows (Steam Deck).


> The Apple Silicon hardware is remarkable, but outside of web browsing, basic web development and video editing - it's artificially limited in it's capabilities.

Name one.


Here are a few:

- Gaming - Containerisation - Nested Virtualization - CI/CD workflows building for MacOS and iOS targets - CI/CD workflows running automated browser testing for Safari

Which could be remedied without regulations by Apple collaborating with existing projects attempting to make these things possible, something Apple refuses to do.


A lot of HN skews quite shockingly authoritarian, tho usually in a “no MY authority is the best, not <insert major one>” contraryism, and you’ll see a TON of alt-right talking points pop up.

Shouldn’t be a shock tho: HN skews American-style “libertarian” (just look how gooey it went over Andrew Yang & his nonsense) which is “very right wing but also likes weed” in practice.

You’ll also see a lot of semi-disguised Andrew Tate & Jordan Peterson nonsense if you spend enough time in the comments

Not everyone is like that of course, but it’s there. Very there.


Isn’t libertarian about smaller government and trusting adults to make their own decisions?


In the US? No. Hah, no, not at all.

I mean, that’s their bumper sticker pitch, sure. But it breaks down real fast when you actually look at the policies they push.

There are some true believer libertarians out there tho! They do things like take over towns & run them into the ground.

Libertarianism is a failed ideology in the USA. You can argue it was co-opted, etc, which is fair… but that’s where it is.


That's complete bullshit.

OP stated correctly an honest belief of limited government that people hold and your response was just a misguided political rant.

Each of your misguided points could be torn apart, but this isn't a political thread. It's a thread about Apple VisionOS ffs.


Good luck at tearing apart things I can point to VOLUMINOUS real world examples of. Because, while Libertarians can talk a good game, their actual actions demonstrate what they are very clearly.

Your denial of reality to defend your ideology being one example itself. Face it: you’re just feeling emotional that your pet faith isn’t respected.


> It surprises me how willing much of the technical HN crowd is wanting the government to have more power.

They already have a monopoly on use of physical force and detention. There is no 'more power' to give them.

You are confusing 'enacting legislation' with 'giving power'. And anti-trust regulation would cover anti-competitive behavior (if we ever enforced it), so no legislation has to be enacted. It is only a matter of determining if it anti-competitive, which it appears not to be.

Rest easy, there are more impactful things to worry about than government overreach into the practices of huge society-shaping entities which are larger than most other nation's governments.

Note: When will a corporation become big enough that we concede that without the monopoly on force and detention it is a de-facto government? At that point can the libertarians give up the 'hands off corporate affairs' schtick?


There is nothing more dangerous than government power. The government has a monopoly on legalized violence.

> Note: When will a corporation become big enough that we concede that without the monopoly on force and detention it is a de-facto government? At that point can the libertarians give up the 'hands off corporate affairs' schtick

There is absolutely no BigTech company that I can’t use my own free will not to use.


Very few governments in the world have an absolute monopoly on violence. Most countries allow some private ownership of weapons, have self defense laws and/or have private security companies. Many countries also allow private mercenary forces that can operate outside their borders.

People like to assume that governments and corporations are inherently incompatible, but that’s just not true. A government is just whichever organization(s) has the most power within a geographical region and a company can very easily become the de facto government in an area if its power is unchecked.

For the most prominent historical example of this look at the East India Government: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_India_Company

From a contemporary perspective there are plenty of examples of large multinationals effectively controlling and directing smaller, less wealthy governments. Even in big countries with strong governments, the influence of large corporations on what laws get passed and how they are enforced can become significant.


The cool thing about BigTech these days is even if you don't use them, they still know about you, or you use them indirectly via other products and cloud services. They have their fingers in every proverbial pie.


What does Apple or Amazon know about non users?

My ad blocker blocks analytics on mobile and desktop that takes care of Google and Facebook.

Whose left?


Of course there isn't anything more dangerous than the government. That is the whole point of a monopoly on force and detention. If done properly it is used to keep people from harming others.

Also, the cell phone in your pocket broadcasts your location a few times a second, and the corporations with that data love working with the government.


So tell me how BigTech has personally hurt you?

Did they come in your home and force you to use their products?


Yes, they do. It is difficult to live in society today without interacting with their products.


Really? Which products are you forced to use?


Well, you aren't forced to live in a house or use a toilet or buy your food. If your conditions are 'forced' then I guess the bar is pretty damn low, but everyone I know wants to operate in modern society and to do that one requires the use of services run by large quasi-monopolistic corporations.


So which part of Maslow’s hierarchy of needs can’t be met without depending on “monopolistic” tech companies?


Do you think anyone is convinced by your simplistic rhetorical device?

Let's some questions which don't lead immediately to your 'thought-terminating cliche':

What does having a monolith contribute to society both in terms of value and innovation?

Are there examples where this ended up being beneficial?

Is it a good idea to allow the logical conclusion of free market capitalism be one monopolistic entity which has stifled or bought all competition? What do you think there is to gain by doing such a thing?


> Let's some questions which don't lead immediately to your 'thought-terminating cliche':

So you can’t come up with an example…

> What does having a monolith contribute to society both in terms of value and innovation?

Which BigTech company is a “monolith” without competition?


You insist people answer your stupid question but won't answer others. How quaint.


A computer or smartphone so I can access the internet?


You can run Linux on your computer and buy a phone that runs open source software. Firefox is still a thing


For better or worse, modern society has oriented around smartphone apps in day to day life so you have an Apple/Google duopoly.


I frequently pass through a parking lot for a local homeless shelter.

Every single homeless person that I see out there, has a smartphone.

They don’t have a place to sleep, but they have a phone.


And yet geeks on HN are always talking about the open source alternatives…


Have you ever sat down and thought about why you think the way you do, and how it impacts your life? Do you ever consider that you are wrong?


That sounds like compelling speech. That is a very slippery slope.


> right thing and support early VisionOS development using the Quest Pro

Why would that be the right thing?

Quest Pro doesn’t have the same capabilities as Vision.


Neither does a Mac, yet it's the only device that's allowed to develop for the headset.


But the simulator is designed to help you test your app, just like iOS apps that require touch/gestures/low battery/etc. can be tested on a macOS machine. If I were Apple, I wouldn’t voel their building tools that run on Quest in order to test your Vision app. What would be the point? It seems like such an opportunity cost that’s better spent on other things.


You think testing VR apps in a simulator on a laptop is more indicative of the final experience than another VR headset that almost has feature parity?

I imagine you'd probably still want to use the simulator to ensure your code will run on the actual Apple hardware, but for verifying actual UX/behaviour I'd take the Quest Pro over that any day.


I think Apple will disagree with that “almost has feature parity” claim.

I have not used or even seen neither product, so I wouldn’t know whether they’re right, but do not rule that out, either. For example, the video resolution on Apple’s product is so much higher that it may cross a threshold w.r.t. user experience.

Also, if they did come out with a Quest-based simulator, I think it would be very bad for their marketing.

I would expect ‘the internet’ to say “it’s a Quest, but with a much higher price tag”. How would they go on from there to selling these devices?


> Neither does a Mac, yet it's the only device that's allowed to develop for the headset.

I'm willing to bet that you can develop a prototype for an app in Unreal Engine right now, and I'm willing to bet that Unreal Engine will be ported to Vision OS and that you can get that code running on there pretty quickly after release.

I don't see how this is very much different from how it'd be to develop Windows or Xbox applications. I might use be able to develop some core code with .NET core, or even a full game using cross-platform tools like Unreal or Unity.. but if I'm actually shipping a product I can't expect to get far without using Microsofts officially supported toolchain.

I'd say it's reasonable to be annoyed that you're not allowed to run Mac OS on non-apple hardware. But it's not reasonable to be annoyed that Apple isn't spending millions on officially supporting an SDK for their devices on other OS's, just for a very small niche set of users.


The only thing Quest Pro lacks is lidar.


…and a depth sensor. Not sure why they cut it last minute


https://twitter.com/SadlyItsBradley/status/15806571095488225...

"RUMOR: Why Meta removed the Depth Sensor at the last minute

It allowed you to see people without clothes. It was not it's purpose, but during testing: someone noticed that by using the sensor someone could develop “creeper apps”

Privacy chaos, they prefered to skip the sensor "


I think that’s an excuse of convenience. It was likely just penny pinching imho.

They’re adding it to the Quest 3 and iPhones/iPads have had depth sensors for years now. It’s not be an issue for them.

They control the OS. They can control the drivers. It’s avoidable.


Lidar and depth sensing are the same


They are not the same. Apple vision has both LiDAR and a depth camera.

https://lidarandradar.com/differences-between-the-lidar-syst...


Ah yeah you’re right. Apologies for the mixup. However that link isn’t very good at explaining either, since it doesn’t describe Apple’s TrueDepth tech for the “depth sensor” which is a generic term for many technologies, whereas TrueDepth is specific.

Here’s a better one https://www.eyerys.com/articles/how-apples-lidar-sensor-diff...

Basically Lidar is time of flight and longer range. TrueDepth is a high density grid that’s pattern analyzed.


It does have the most important one - eye tracking


And color passthrough, albeit not a great one. Still good enough to build and test experiences already!


What was your reasons for buying it. Just curious.


I disagree it's the right thing to do, why do you think it is?


Because it solves the chicken and egg allowing none Apple software at launch.


Not really a chicken and egg scenario imho.

1. It runs iOS and iPad apps.

2. The simulator is available and several devs have already ported and added visionOS specific feature support with it.

3. They’re supposedly making developer units available to applicants starting sometime this month.

4. They’ve already had several third party developers they’ve showed in their press releases

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Which is to say , I don’t think they will necessarily have a chicken and egg problem at launch which is still months away.

So there’s no real motivation to open up their development to competing platforms.


Ah you mean your quest is useless because it has no useful apps


Barring OP as evidence to the contrary.


I am hear to lend support for "build once, run everywhere". But I already feel the divide: Quest for Games. Apple for Minority Report ;)


That’s not the right thing at all, why would they do that?


NEVER cross the streams


Start tiny.

Set a reminder to check your contact list once a week.

Message someone on there you haven't talked to in a while.

Say something nice, hello, how are you, have you seen the latest tech news?

If you make this as easy and routine as brushing your teeth, you will very soon be overflowing with people who know and like you.

Kindness, consistency, and contact are all it takes.


You don't have to blog to grow or manage your professional network.

Set a reminder, once a week, to look at your LinkedIn. Ping someone you actually know, just to say hi. This keeps you fresh in their minds as someone who does X, and is still alive.

Finally, if you want to expand your network, just ask these same people if they know anyone else doing X and then send them a hello.

Very low-effort and direct contact is 100x more powerful than a blog post anyway!


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