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> "eat less meat" isn't entertained as a serious option

It's simply baffling that this always gets brought up without stating the obvious fact that many people love to eat meat, and have no obligation to put up with the boring diet these policies would impose on them.

And I think this is yet another reason that the naive libertarian attitude of "I just wanna grill" (which I am also guilty of subscribing to until a few years ago) is a recipe for disaster. If we don't actively stand against these policies, soon the only thing you can grill would be veggies.

Some think this is unlikely to happen. But the paper straws debacle tells us that a vocal minority can impose these things on others. And remember that Japan was vegetarian for centuries before the Great Emperor Meiji liberated them from the ideology [1].

[1]: https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/japan-meat-ban



You can love to eat meat, but still eat less of it. Many Americans are eating meat for literally every meal of the day, 7 days a week. That's complete overkill and one may even get more enjoyment out of meat by cutting back slightly on consumption. And I'm not sure where you get that "eat less meat" would be imposed on people, as opposed to individuals just choosing to eat less meat(like I have).

The "I need to eat meat every meal" crowd reminds me of a morbidly-obese person saying "I just like food more than you do". Maybe in limited circumstances it is true, but for the most part it seems more like a pathological dependence rather than harmless desire.


> You can love to eat meat, but still eat less of it. Many Americans are eating meat for literally every meal of the day, 7 days a week.

And this tends to mean eating low quality meat. Eat less, but higher quality.


I find your opinion on it baffling as well. The obvious fact is that is a selfish attitude. Do what you want, but that is a fact.

I don't think the animals feel very liberated either if you consider other life forms.


The no true Scotsman of grilling meat as a libertarian (to not be impacting other's freedoms)

1. You raise the cow (on a non corn diet that you grow)

2. You harvest the methane from the cow (crop waste, maybe even your own waste)

3. You use the harvested methane from crop, cow, and self waste to grill

Otherwise, you're not accounting for your externalities (unless you pay for the same)

4. You replenish the soil to repeat




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