$32k USD starting is not what I would call affordable. Even the Nissan Leaf starts lower. This car is honestly a bit of a joke in the US markets even for a small, simple commuter you can do much better here in the EV space. A used 2018 leaf would get more range, charge faster and cost less.
Why wouldn't you just get a Model 3 for that price? It's just much better tech, more fun, much better range and probably has better resale value down the road. Not a fan of the CEO for sure, but it seems like there are worlds between the specs and just very little additional $.
Compared to the Model 3, the Leaf offers seats-down cargo space that’s larger and less restrictive (hatch vs. trunk) despite being significantly smaller (~185” vs ~176”). Despite the 500e being smaller yet at 143”, its cargo space isn’t that much smaller than that of the Model 3 and also isn’t subject to the restrictions of a trunk since it’s a hatch.
Of course not everybody is looking for compactness or better ratios of external size to cargo space but for those who are, there are better options than a Model 3.
> It was a marketing campaign.
> it was never a serious thing
Yeppppp. This is what i was saying for weeks and weeks, if not months. The amount of people on Reddit who can not see the puzzle pieces of “OpenAI sells AI” , “AI is hyped” , “more hype = more attention = more money and media coverage” and put them together, is actually shocking. Every time i would point this out on Reddit, more often than not i would get downvoted, and the responses were basically “well actually, AGI is around the corner”
This community is honestly SO MUCH BETTER than a lot of futurist subs. I might just stick to this site for a while.
I find there can be significant cargo culting [0] on HN too when any of these topics hit the front page: OpenAI / ChatGPT / LLMs; Zoom; E2EE; regulation / policy; crypto currency / NFTs [1] etc.
That said, I’m kind of glad to hear that Reddit is worse, as it puts the situation here on HN into some wider perspective (it’s not that bad here).
[0]: meant in the form of: closed minded absolutism without full contextual appreciation or understanding of the domain (what you seem to be describing as happening on Reddit)
[1]: less so these days, I wonder if that has something do with the current AI hype cycle cough opportunistic bandwagon jumping cough o_o
And let’s not forget that Sam Altman is the CEO of OpenAI. He clearly has a vested interest in creating hype around AI, AGI, etc. But when i point this out on Reddit, for some reason i get downvoted.
> You can plot this exponential growth out over time and calculate when these models will have the complexity of the brain. Then you can assume some penalty for shitty architecture (that gets better over time), and you’ll have a ballpark estimate.
The same thing could’ve been said for self driving cars, or the space program, or a lot of things that seemed to be progressing quickly at the time.
And if you did say it, you would have been a lot more correct than if you'd said they won't amount to anything. Robotaxis with nobody in the driver's seat are available in three major US cities; most people use a network of navigational satellites every time they want to figure out how to get somewhere new.
Not really. You can only make these predictions about things bottlenecked by things that improve exponentially such as compute.
Neither the space program nor self driving are compute restrained.
The latter will probably be “solved” as we get closer to AGI, since you need some sort of human like reasoning for edge cases that require reasoning.
Another tech like this is batteries: There is no miracle jump in production batteries. They just improve about 10% YoY, both in energy density and cost.
So you can extrapolate when electric cars will be cheaper than gas cars to buy.
