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"I think the agile philosophy got a few things right: find ways to reduce the cost of change, empower individuals to make choices and act on them, and reduce the cost of failure and embrace iteration instead of trying to prevent failure in advance."

This reads as a stealth attack against systemd, as that's a pretty good summary of the opposite of the systemd development philosophy as currently implemented. Although he claims in his post that line is about the Debian decision making process, which is perhaps true although very meta. Everything systemd is about is implementing the exact opposite of the quoted line above.

My one line summary of the overall situation is the systemd project is a coup of the overall ecosystem by the "desktop environment" people ignoring the needs of all other users, and the "universal OS" true believers are not overly supportive of that coup.

I'm reacting to the replacement of "universal OS" with "we're only going to be a gnome desktop" by simply moving everything, desktops and servers, to freebsd, other people are flaming, others are making threats, and of course others are moving to openbsd, whatever.



FYI, you're quoting an email from Russ Allbery, who voted for systemd: https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00283.html

To quote Russ vote: "D U O V F", so systemd first and the current System V init last ("F" was for further discussion).

In the same email from Russ you're quoting, there's this: "I would appreciate it if people would ask for clarification rather than making assumptions, as assumptions about other people's motives are one of the things that I find the most demoralizing about the Debian project right now."

Worth a though IMHO.


I don't understand what do you intended with this post besides adding fuel to the fire.




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