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"Silicon Valley developers, one of the highest paid professions"

Based upon the number of hours the people who I knew at Zynga were putting in - IMHO they were far from receiving a good rate when looked at hourly.

100k at 60-70+ hrs per week in a place with some of the highest living costs is not all that admirable of pay if you ask me. Yes they are not on the street but its not exactly the bees' knees either.



This is _precisely_ why I live in Berlin and not in SF.


If you don't mind me asking, what is the average developer salary compared to the cost of living in Berlin?


Well, developers work on the internet. Good freelance developers command $70+/hour on the internet.

The cost of living in the hip part of Berlin (Kreuzberg/Friedrichshain) has nearly DOUBLED in the last 5 years. You're now looking at nearly $1500 per month for a 900 square foot 2-bedroom. :D

My place a bit farther out is €1000/mo and is 1800 square feet. My office is on one floor (the one with the small balcony) and living quarters upstairs (the big balcony).

Sorry, I'll stop now.


That is extremely inexpensive compared to new york or San Francisco.


I'm aware - I moved here from Manhattan.


But in line with South Bay. As long as the work is near Caltrain/BART lines, one doesn't really have to live in San Francisco unless they really want to pay premium for the privilege.


How long is the conmute time in that setup?


Depends on where you're going to or from. If you live near the Redwood City Caltrain and work in SoMa, it's 30-40 mins.


Melbourne as well, I would say.


Melbourne's about $2400 a month for a decent 2-bedroom in CBD.


Fuck, I paid $1850 for a 650 sqft one-bedroom in Mountain View. That was before they tried to raise the rent after the Google expansion, I hear they posted it at $2400 after I left.

That said, London is more expensive.


> That said, London is more expensive.

That depends a _lot_ on where in London.

My 3 bedroom 1000sqft house with a garden in London has a current rental value of about $1600. That's the difference between living in a leafy, relatively unfashionable suburb in the South of London vs. living in one of the enclaves of rich people or hipsters in the centre of town. I have a 45 minute commute to the centre, door to door.


The analogue is living in Oakland or San Jose. Of course public transportation is much worse in the bay area, if you happen to live and work near the right Caltrain or Bart stops then it can be comparable.


London's a big place. Where do you mean?


Battersea and Hackney personally.

The Bay Area is a bigger place BTW.



Sigh.

The place I lived in Mountain View was prime real estate. I was on Castro street, one of the only walkable places outside of San Francisco proper. There is plenty of cheaper real estate in MV.

Similarly in Battersea I live near Clapham Junction. I can get to Heathrow in 40, Gatwick in 30, Soho in 25 and Bright on 50! I can also cycle to Trafalgar Sq in 20 mins if the lights are favorable. Again, there are cheaper places around, but not without worse location or other problems with the property.

Also, the first property on the link you listed is £390 a week. You do realize that that is $2700 / month right? And you do realize that in Mountain View when you rent there is no council tax, and you don't pay estate agents any fees at all. In fact there are no estate agents, and property holders often give you some kind of deal like reduced rent for the first month to get you to sign a lease.


The first property on the link when I click is £650 pcm.


You lazy bastard! get back to work and stop posting on HN!

(JK)


Context> @ 0230 hrs, berlin time


Packing to fly to go visit my customers in the USA in a couple hours.

You don't think I actually work for Berlin salary, do you?! This is the Internet!


Compiling!


XKCD should really be a protocol.

"I'm getting an XKCD 303 back from the developer."


Depending if you like what you are doing? I don't know a lot of people working to get rich and cannot imagine everyone in the valley is.


They knew the risks and they aren't slaves. If they really thought it was a bad deal, they can find a job at another company.

Everyone I know that worked at a startup has ended up out of a job with little to no payout (beyond their salary). It's a risk.

If you don't want to take that risk, work at a non-startup company.




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