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In particular, note the Google Union's success at getting voluntary buyouts instead of lay-offs for RIFs.

this is all true, especially for those of us who make no where near that much

Which is most of us. I'm paid well, and I feel fortunate for the privilege. But even my bills (healthcare, housing, etc.) are bonkers lately, and I live in a sleepy suburb. My health insurance will be much worse next year, and I probably need surgery, so that'll be nice and expensive. Meanwhile, we blew billions on an acquisition and laid off a lot of good senior talent. My colleagues and my friends.

I don't think people here truly understand how much people are struggling, even other software developers. I think everyone here thinks every other programmer pulls six figures working at a FAANG, but it's not true. Except now, capital is out for blood, and the Palo Alto is the only place with some fat left to trim.


Real life jobs are nowhere near this clear cut. Overly protective unions result in lower levels of innovation.

Please look to the EU and their --ZERO-- level of tech innovation and how their anti-business regulations have worked out.

Question - if you think layoffs during high profit times are bad/immoral, then should employees also accept pay cuts when profits are low?

Didn't think so. Think about that "power" dynamic you keep talking about.


And in China, everyone is in a union yet there’s plenty of innovation.

Unions don’t prevent innovation.


Lol. When I first came to the US I was amazed how backward it was compared to the EU. You still used checks. I had to carry a fucking pen to buy things. Cell phones? Lol no. We're all using phones literally in the Matrix movie, and what did the US have? Nada. You are funny. Let me guess, the USA is #1 in education, #1 in health outcomes? What is the USA #1 in? #1 in dumping toxic waste into the watertable, I think, is that the innovation you're talking about?



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