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I am intersted in your version of my answer. I don't think picking at elements from my list and just saying "no" is fruitful.


I disagree, and am deliberately not trying to start a protracted debate here. I'm just offering a data point, nothing more.


Well, it seems we have arrived at an impasse.


No, we haven't. We disagree about something, but there was never a premise that we would agree. It's fine for us to disagree! We're two different data points, nothing more or less. An "impasse" implies there was a further destination for us to reach, if only we found common ground. Not so!

I think we sometimes look past how valuable it is to just have two clearly stated, conflicting views on an issue, without a day long effort to unify or persuade them.




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