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Isn't heavenbanning trivially circumvented by an incognito window and a VPN? I've occasionally checked my reddit comments when not logged in to discover when my replies are hidden or collapsed.

If generated content becomes so prevalent online, I suspect people will put more weight onto real world interaction. Or at least real-world validation on online interactions. I can imagine a world where user tokens are handed out at a conference and required to access a forum. Sure, someone could hand their token off to a bot, but that'd tank their credibility.



I think the real danger lies with the youth. Adults might not have much time these days to doomscroll as it is. Most internet content is probably produced and read by young people who frankly have time on their hands to scroll on tiktok for various reasons. Its also a demographic where you might not expect this to ever change: not all kids can walk to their friends house and hang out in person, they might be dependent on someone driving them someplace. Likewise they won’t ever be fully busy with school or extracurriculars, because there will always be a subset of students who are doing both of those things as well as working part time to make some ends meet, so workloads basically cannot demand your full attention outside of class time due to not everyone having the same amount of hours of free time after class. This invites more “idle time” that is filled with easy things like TV or tiktok, something you can do instantly on your couch, vs making plans, being active, or getting yourself someplace. Less inertia.

If you control the opinions of the youth, you have their votes for at least a few election cycles before their opinions might soften with the stressors of western adulthood. You also significantly influence how they spend money and get their parents to spend money. Its a very powerful position.


I think you could just serve the heavenban content to anyone directly searching for the username that's been heavenbanned, and serve their incognito session a heavenban cookie for the remainder. No one looks up trolls except the trolls themselves. It's a lot more work to sift through an entire subreddit looking for particular comments.


No, but the troll will search in posts they've commented on and see their comments aren't showing up. Permalink the parent comment and copy that into an incognito window, and clear your cookies to get rid of the heaven ban cookie.

What you're suggesting is already implemented on Reddit. If you look at a user's page it'll show their shadowbanned comments. But if you click on the "show all comments" and view the whole thread they won't display. Reddit can't detect when you ctrl-f on a comment thread.


How profitable is handing off ones token? I mean we see this with influencers as it is already. MLMs infect humans much like a virus infects computers.




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