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Why should tax dollars be sent to a private company without anything but a promise in exchange? The promise of "jobs" isn't enough, as evidenced by just about every single other time that these programs (including the tax cuts) happen. Further, how are we going to hold these companies accountable for their promise? What comes to mind immediately is when we gave telecoms a bunch of wire up rural America, and they purchased and consolidated the cell providers instead.

If we just write them a check, they'll do whatever they want with it. They need to be held accountable, and ownership percentage is a way to do that.

Alternatively, the gov could take this money, start up a corporation of their own, and make their own fab. The language in part of this bill is that they are trying to ensure that older tech and DoD stuff is made in house. So let's make it in house.

We don't necessarily need to say "we're buying intel or nvidia", but we can make the money available to any company in exchange for the ownership percentage. That eliminates the "playing favorites" issue, I would think.



Let's say Intel takes the deal and trades some ownership percentage for some funds to build more fabs. Suddenly the US government has a multi-billion dollar reason to provide political support for whatever is good for Intel. It's inherently favorable to incumbents who have the market share to make a favorable deal, regardless of whether or not those incumbents are best able to build world-class fabs.

The government has plenty of demand-side tools to on-shore development without hurting competition or playing favorites with large incumbents. The DoD and DoE are massive semiconductor purchasers and have a lot of leverage in the market who can adjust their procurement strategies to promote American interests. That's not entirely without the opportunity for corruption and grift either, but at least there's more accountability.

I mean, I think we basically agree that handouts to large semiconductor companies without anything in return is a bad idea.


> Suddenly the US government has a multi-billion dollar reason to provide political support for whatever is good for Intel.

That's one of the reasons we're doing this in the first place. National security is in the mix as well. What would actually change [edit: beyond citizens gaining ownership and some say in what happens]?


If we just write them a check, they'll do whatever they want with it. They need to be held accountable, and ownership percentage is a way to do that.

You could also just consider the grants to be loans that never need to be paid back as long as some set of concrete requirements is met by the company.


I would find this acceptable as well. As long as it's an actual loan, not like the PPP "loans".


Maybe, but it worked out really well last time we did this. I say the government ended up with a tremendous ROI.

https://www.fabricatedknowledge.com/p/history-lesson-the-198...

What about the safeguards, which are in place, makes you uneasy?


> without anything but a promise in exchange?

What are you basing this on?


The federal government previously gave the telecom monopolists billions to build out nationwide fiber-optic internet infrastructure... and they just took the money and ran.


I don't see any language around how we're going to recover those funds, if they are not spent in ways that align with the requirements laid out in the bill. Did I miss that section? It is a pretty big bill.

I do see a section that would allow the suspension of new funds, if it's found that these companies aren't upholding the agreement. I don't think suspension of new funds is sufficient.


> don't see any language around how we're going to recover those funds, if they are not spent in ways that align with the requirements laid out in the bill

Implementation is left to the agencies. We're only seeing the Congress appropriating money. Contract specifics are being developed.


IfI had to guess, previous behavior by telecoms, banks, and airline companies.




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