If so inclined we could equally well cast the desire to just act in accordance with one's own desires and not contribute to some sort of greater plan as childish. Doesn't really rise above the level of an insult.

It is no insult to call what is childish childish. It is merely accurate.

Seesh. defending name calling by saying the name is "accurate". I think i would use the word childish for trying to debate via name calling.

There is no name calling. There is only a correct assessment.

What do you believe is not childish in an adult saying they are unable to control themselves and that they need someone to do it for them?

Here's what Alexis de Tocqueville (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexis_de_Tocqueville and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_in_America) says about it:

> "What good does it do me, after all, if an ever-watchful authority keeps an eye out to ensure that my pleasures will be tranquil and races ahead of me to ward off all danger, sparing me the need even to think about such things, if that authority, even as it removes the smallest thorns from my path, is also absolute master of my liberty and my life; if it monopolizes vitality and existence to such a degree that when it languishes, everything around it must also languish; when it sleeps, everything must also sleep; and when it dies, everything must also perish?

There are some nations in Europe whose inhabitants think of themselves in a sense as colonists, indifferent to the fate of the place they live in. The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved. They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.

When a nation has reached this point, it must either change its laws and mores or perish, for the well of public virtue has run dry: in such a place one no longer finds citizens but only subjects."

> There is no name calling. There is only a correct assessment.

For starters, you're asserting without argument. Which leads it to appear to be name calling.

Secondly, given you are being downvoted to hell, you should probably reevaluate if it is really a correct assesment. After all, if its obviously correct why aren't people agreeing?

Second you are clearly using childish as an insult, instead of saying what you really think is wrong with that view - which is a second reason why it looks like name calling. Childish can mean a lot of things, some positive some negative, its hard to see from your posts what the specific objection is, which makes it seem like just a shallow insult.

> What do you believe is not childish in an adult saying they are unable to control themselves and that they need someone to do it for them?

For starters, the original poster did not say that. They especially did not say they were unable to control themselves.

They did say they would like to delegate some aspects of their life. I personally wouldn't want to live in their utopia, but its not like it's totally different from how many societies work including our own.

I hired a guy to do my taxes, instead of taking responsibility for them myself. Is that childish?

Some people hire personal trainers instead of coming up with their own exercise plans. Is that childish?

Some people go to university for a structured education, instead of reading textbooks, articles, recorded lecture videos themselves (seriously, between lectures on youtube, open courseware, lib genisis, is there any valid reason to go to university except a lack of self control and discipline?) Is that childish?

I would argue the true mark of an adult is knowing what to take responsibility for yourself, and knowing what to delegate to others. We all have limited attention, if we try to do everything we do nothing very well.

> Secondly, given you are being downvoted to hell, you should probably reevaluate if it is really a correct assesment. After all, if its obviously correct why aren't people agreeing?

A lot of people are wrong about a lot of things a lot of the time. Popularity doesn't make something true or false. If you're chasing what's popular you will never be honest.

That's true.

However, it does mean it is not "obviously" true, and you need to provide a compelling argument for why whatever you believe is actually the case instead of just asserting it.

In that case, you might be surprised at how many executives are childish....

... There's a point in your life you learn to delegate.

If that's childish, then fuck being an adult. In fact, if you want to step it up a notch, than being an "adult" is having as many children as you can to pass on your genes. Anything more than that is stuff humans made up to not be bored when they get past child bearing age.

> If that's childish

It is.

> then fuck being an adult

Have no worry. I will tell you what to do, slave.

Now do as you're told and say that you like it.