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> I agreee that speculation on property solely as an asset is an issue

Speculation helps create a liquid market and stabilize prices.



In practice, speculation maximises value extracted by speculators. But yes, "maximum bearable" price is stable.


All sellers maximize the sale price.


Original sellers are makers. They create and sell at reasonable price. Speculators only buy to sell at higher price, thus their only reason to exist is to be the one between people who value something more than it's previous price and those selling at previous price. And they want to buy at lower price before other people can buy at that lower price. They don't contribute anything. They just insert themselves and sell not at reasonable price, but at max price than can be paid.


> They create and sell at reasonable price.

I'm afraid there's no evidence whatsoever that makers sell at lower prices than speculators. Everyone sells for as much as possible. There's nothing magic about speculators that enable them to get higher prices.

> And they want to buy at lower price before other people can buy at that lower price.

Every buyer tries to do that.

> They don't contribute anything.

Yes, they do. They provide liquidity, and reduce volatility. For example, the only reason a seller sells to a speculator is if the speculator offers to sell at a higher price than others. The only reason a buyer buys from a speculator is the speculator is offering it at a lower price than others.

There is no magic "speculator market" that operates under different rules and different prices.


> There's nothing magic about speculators that enable them to get higher prices.

> For example, the only reason a seller sells to a speculator is if the speculator offers to sell at a higher price than others.

Yeah, it's not magic.

If there was not speculator in the middle, buyer would look for another seller, who probably could have lower price. And that seller could sell at still higher price, because he doesn't have to pay speculator for finding him a buyer. A little more work for seller and buyer, but because speculator makes this work, doesn't negate "just extracting value from being in the middle".


Jargon an technicalities help creating bubble and loosing focus on what matters for humankind.


The article lays out that Germany - a market where property isn't speculated on - has stable houseprices. This is in contrast to English-speaking countries where speculation has caused houseprices to grow beyond the reach of most millenials.

It doesn't strike me that speculation has led to stable prices here.


>The article lays out that Germany - a market where property isn't speculated on

Excuse me?! Has the author actually done any research into the real estate markets of the big German cities or is he just making this stuff up?

Germany is not safe from real-estate speculation, I can guarantee you that, otherwise 80sqm flats in Munich wouldn't have reached 1.1 Million Euros[1].

[1]https://www.t-online.de/finanzen/immobilien-wohnen/immobilie...


Laughs in Franconian dialect

We started thinking about buying when we moved to the Nuremberg area in 2012, and started our serious house hunt in 2014. It took a full year before we managed to get an offer accepted, and we were offering full asking price, because we had to wait a few days to get mortgage approvals instead of having 300k-500k EUR in cash. We ended up with a mid-50s row house that could use new bathrooms and windows in Nuremberg's largest neighboring city/suburb, only because the seller wanted a buyer who she thought would actually live in it themselves... and are keenly aware of our good fortune. We would have to pay about 60-70% more than we did just 5 years ago to get the same thing in livable condition in this location now.


What the article says about Germany:

"Most important, in a few places the rate of home ownership is low and no one bats an eyelid. It is just 50% in Germany, which has a rental sector that encourages long-term tenancies and provides clear and enforceable rights for renters. With ample supply and few tax breaks or subsidies for owner-occupiers, home ownership is far less alluring and the political clout of nimbys is muted. Despite strong recent growth in some cities, Germany’s real house prices are, on average, no higher than they were in 1980."

Nowhere does the article say that speculators are the cause of high prices. Speculators are the result of a rapidly changing market, not the cause.


That's "market making". Speculation tends to increase volatility.


> Speculation tends to increase volatility.

Speculators make money off of prices deviating from the norm (i.e. volatility) and every time they make money off of a price difference, it pushes that price back to the norm. I.e. it decreases volatility.

The fact that speculators are attracted to volatility is an effect of volatility, not a cause.


This ignores everything about supply/demand and market bubbles.


Not at all. Bubbles are only obvious in hindsight. If somehow you are prescient enough to recognize them reliably in advance, you can make yourself a cool billion easy.


This still ignores that speculation can contribute to them, and can move the market. It's is not a rebuttal or an explanationa.


If speculators realize there's a bubble, they'll short it and thereby make money when it collapses.

Shorting a bubble moderates its price rise.


And if they don't realise there's a bubble, but continue to add 'buy' side pressure?

Speculators are part of the market, not observers, and they absolutely contribute to rising prices, not just price discovery, because they add demand.


> they absolutely contribute to rising prices ... because they add demand

Speculators buy and sell, in equal measure. That's what makes them speculators. It's a net zero.

If they bought and held, they'd be investors.


Helping to push up prices as they do so, attracting more speculators. That's not a net zero.

They also hold what are limited resources for a non-zero amount of time, reducing supply in aggregate. More speculators, more supply constraint.

This is not some sort of idealised marketplace where people can dip in and out without any effect.


You're missing that they short things they believe are overvalued, like in bubbles.

> This is not some sort of idealised marketplace where people can dip in and out without any effect.

You're right. Speculators work to decrease the peak of a bubble and increase the value of a dip.

The misapprehension is thinking the effect is only one way.


> You're missing that they short things they believe are overvalued

In the housing market? LOL.

> Speculators work to decrease the peak of a bubble and increase the value of a dip.

Except that's nonsense, they increase the demand on an already massively in-demand resource, accelerating price rises.

Your ideas fly in the face of observable reality.




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