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A "strong placebo effect that lasts" is not a placebo effect.


This is not true at all. If you have three groups, an experimental, placebo group, and control group and you find strong durable lasting effects in the placebo group that's still a placebo effect.


"What if the placebo effect isn't just a trick?" (1 year ago, 278 comments): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18398342

> Those with the high-COMT variant had the weakest placebo responses, and those with the opposite variant had the strongest. These effects were compounded by the amount of interaction each patient got: For instance, low-COMT, high-interaction patients fared best of all, but the low-COMT subjects who were placed in the no-treatment group did worse than the other genotypes in that group

> Analyzing the data amassed during the first 10 years of the study, Hall found that the women with the low-COMT gene variant had significantly higher rates of heart disease than women with the high-COMT variant, and that the risk was reduced for those low-COMT women who received the active treatments but not in those given placebos. Among high-COMT people, the results were the inverse: Women taking placebos had the lowest rates of disease; people in the treatment arms had an increased risk.




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