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There's a benefit, you're just not seeing it.

Not to appeal to self-authority, but I have been maintaining production Linux systems in large-scale environments since the late 90s. If there were a benefit that outweighed the unnecessary breaking changes, I would see it, even if I didn't appreciate it. There isn't.

You should stop and think before you assume that other people are incompetent, both because it would make you a better interlocutor, and as a bonus it wouldn't violate HN's principle of charity.



The benefit is, of course, clean up of orphan defunct processes. One might argue if this is outweighing the drawback of the change (it might not, but that’s what some distro maintainers chose to enable), but you shouldn’t suggest that they just broke you for no purpose, instead, you should stop and think before you assume that other people are incompetent, both because it would make you a better interlocutor, and as a bonus it wouldn't violate HN's principle of charity.


Your copy/paste doesn't apply to my comment, since I didn't assume you were incompetent, just that you'd made an overaggressive claim you didn't care to back up.

Of course, a defense of systemd's comically broken reaping behavior removes all necessity for assumption in this case. sysvinit at least consistently reaps on SIGCHLD -- systemd randomly reorders into the sd-event API and then does something random based on the order receipt.


> Your copy/paste doesn't apply to my comment, since I didn't assume you were incompetent, just that you'd made an overaggressive claim you didn't care to back up.

Sorry, I assumed you're competent enough to figure it out, or at least look at the original sources where authors of the change explicitly explain the reason why they do it. Of course, since you assumed that they are incompetent, you didn't bother to do so, instead, completely uncharitably assumed that there's zero benefit for that.


I'm sorry to bring bad news, but there's indeed a benefit, you just don't see it.


Surely it can be articulated, then.


It was, many times, you can just google and educate yourself.




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