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I don't understand why something like that would be illegal under the GDPR. You are told when you wipe your cookies that Google cookies won't be deleted. Also your browser letting you wipe your cookies is not some kind of human right.


No it doesn't. Press Ctrl+Shift+Del and it takes you directly to a screen that lets you "delete cookies", which it apparently doesn't. What's surprising about that being illegal? They are literally lying to their users about their privacy.


Just tried it on 69.0.3497.100 and all cookies were deleted and I was logged out from the browser. I also remember seeing a message "you will stay signed on to your Google account" but it seems to have disappeared (or maybe it only shows if you have sync enabled which I don't)


That's not the behavior we are arguing about here though.


Why do people compare Instagram Stories to Snapchat? Instagram copied stories from Snapchat, but they didn't copy the core of the app, ephemeral pictures.


Now if you log into a Google account, Chrome is logged into that same account as well. Also if you clear all cookies, cookies from Google aren't cleared. Some people (myself included) don't like that.


But this is only if you already have Chrome Sync ("logging in to Chrome") turned on and enabled, correct? Because I have a bunch of different Chrome profiles that I use for different purposes, and I don't see the ones that I use for particular Gmail accounts getting logged in to Chrome.


(not a chrome user, but:) my understanding is that now if you log into google (e.g. a gmail account), you automatically get logged into chrome, including Chrome Sync.


That is not at all my understanding. If you don't have sync enabled, nothing automatically enables sync. You have to go through a large confirmation dialog (with an "undo" button) to enable sync.


Yet...</cynical mode>


You’re being downvoted, but this is exactly the concern that a sweeping change like this provokes. Who’s to say Google won’t decide that a lack of sync is a problem they can silently fix too?


Who's to say they aren't going to backdoor Chrome to pop a shell on your box next time you search Google? Who's to say Mozilla won't do the same?


The devil has enough advocates.

The turn on sync thing is already reported to be a dark pattern.

Also see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18062082


Yes, lots of people reported it to be a "dark pattern", but I'm very much with Nikita Borisov on this one:

https://twitter.com/nikitab/status/1044314072706158593

Meanwhile: whatever color you want to shade in the "pattern" with, this subthread starts with a claim that is falsifiable, and also actually false. So please don't pretend like I'm arguing from abstractions here.


Thanks, I don't use Chrome that much (or at all if I an avoid it) so that's interesting.

Still there are the claims of buybackoff that I linked above that options has been set without their consent.

So it seems to me there's either a muddy pattern or they even are tweaking things on behalf of users whitout even asking?

Edit: also this from the post we are discussing:

> However, by clicking on “settings” I was unable to click “undo” - the user interface happily assumed that yes, in fact I wanted to first upload my data. And suddenly, instead of “Last time synced in 2017” I saw the following: “Last time synced on Today”.


Yeah my account was signed in and syncing when, prior to the update, I explicitly turned off sync so that was alarming to me. I immediately turned off syncing and now I can't trust Google to obey my settings anymore. They randomly turn on syncing when I use Google voice assistant on my Android phone.


Yes, you automatically get logged into chrome. Supposedly sync will not automatically be enabled, but if you ever enabled it in the past it will be turned back on for your chrome session as well. It's unclear what happens to old (pre-login) history and cookies when this happens.


> Also if you clear all cookies, cookies from Google aren't cleared.

Wait, WHAT? Are you talking about locally or in sync? I don't believe Sync ever included cookies, and there's no indication on the Clear Browsing Data tool that Google cookies won't be cleared if "All Time" is selected.


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