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> So no video is shared unless the owner chooses.

That's all fine and good until we hear "oops, turns out all the customer video feeds were streaming to our cop accessible servers 24/7!".

I don't believe Ring's claims (or flock etc etc) for one second.


It's more that police will use it for their own personal inquiries- to track their girlfriends, potential girlfriends etc. This happens enough already with license plate readers:

- Sedgwick, Kansas (2024): Former Police Chief Lee Nygaard resigned after it was discovered he used Flock cameras to track his ex-girlfriend and her new partner 228 times over four months, according to The Wichita Eagle and KAKE.

- Menasha, Wisconsin (Jan 2026): Officer Cristian Morales was charged with misconduct in office for allegedly using the Flock system to track his ex-girlfriend, WLUK-TV reported. Morales admitted to using the system due to "desperation" and "bad judgment".

- Orange City, Florida (2025): Officer Jarmarus Brown was charged with stalking after reportedly running his girlfriend's license plate 69 times, her mother's 24 times, and her brother's 15 times over seven months, the Miami Herald reported.

- San Diego, California (2021): Sergeant Mariusz Czas was arrested for stalking his ex-girlfriend using police resources

https://fox11online.com/news/crime/menasha-police-officer-ac...

https://local12.com/news/nation-world/police-chief-gets-caug...


More likely - a quiet update changing opt-in to opt-out. They can repeat this update as many times as they want and each time, a few more people will miss the email. They can also hold your data hostage, i.e. "All data now and historical will be included in our partner sharing unless you delete it all."

> Nobody knows how the whole system works

True.

But in all systems up to now, for each part of the system, somebody knew how it worked.

That paradigm is slowly eroding. Maybe that's ok, maybe not, hard to say.


> But in all systems up to now, for each part of the system, somebody knew how it worked.

If the project is legacy or the people just left the company that’s just not true.


> If the project is legacy or the people just left the company that’s just not true.

Yeah, that's why I said "knew" instead of "knows".


> Yeah he only micromanages (look at his old blog) every detail he has time for at an extremely successful aerospace engineering company, just an ideas guy.

Have you ever spoken to someone who works at SpaceX? I have multiple friends in the industry, who have taken a trip through the company.

The overwhelming consensus is that - in meetings, you nod along and tell Elon "great idea". Immediately after you get back to real engineering and design things such that they make sense.

The folks working there are under no delusion that he has any business being involved in rocket science, it's fascinating that the general public doesn't see it that way.


Any cool kid in uni has had the same views as you do for ten years.

What do you and them know that the countless extremely successful engineers who actually worked with Elon do not?

https://erik-engheim.medium.com/is-elon-musk-just-a-sales-gu...


> What do you and them know that the countless extremely successful engineers who actually worked with Elon do not?

Did you read my comment?

"I have multiple friends in the industry, who have taken a trip through the company."

I am literally referring to extremely successful engineers who have worked directly with Elon.

I'm going to need more than a puff piece on some random Elon stan's medium page to outweigh what I've heard from my friends.


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> This medium page simply quotes people. Feel free to quote your imaginary friends on your own medium page.

Simply quotes people with obvious large financial interest in the success of the company, who are therefore motivated to continue the super genius narrative.

I guess we all have our biases - I believe first hand accounts, you believe social media posts. To each his own.


Yes, yes, everyone is a sycophant except you and your friends... For the record, you are lying about the quoted people having a financial interest in Elon.

No it's not "to each his own". Using your free expression to smear without admitting counterevidence, while painting everything that does not go along with your views as a doctored narrative is not a legitimate intellectual position.


> Yes, yes, everyone is a sycophant except you and your friends... For the record, you are lying about the quoted people having a financial interest in Elon.

Let's go through them:

- Jim Cantrell: SpaceX founder

- Garett Reisman: astronaut, former SpaceX employee, current SpaceX "consultant"

- Joshua Boehm: former SpaceX head of SQA

- Carmack: maybe this one is genuine, however, Carmack is also an industry outsider who founded his own aerospace company, so there might be some projecting going on there

> Using your free expression to smear without admitting counterevidence

Interesting take when you came in here telling me (in your now flagged comment) that my friends are imaginary and I'm a liar, who's rejecting counterevidence again?


Or you are actively trying to have the meetings when you are sure he cannot be present because he keeps derailing them.

Why are they doing any better than any other firm then? Why has Tesla been successful? Why is xAI pretty similar in terms of approach? My idea has less variables than yours. It also doesn't fly with his tendency to fire people.

> Why are they doing any better than any other firm then?

Any other firm, you mean like the bloated and bureaucratic NASA/JPL/defense contractor madhouse? That's not much competition.

> Why has Tesla been successful? Why is xAI pretty similar in terms of approach? My idea has less variables than yours. It also doesn't fly with his tendency to fire people.

Your "idea" (statement) is that his companies are successful due to his micromanagement. In reality, they're successful in spite of it. Like all impactful engineering institutions, there are incredibly talented people working at the "bottom" levels of these companies that hold the whole thing together.

There's a good bit of irony here in your thought that he'd fire people that didn't agree with him or disobeyed him. From what I've heard, he lacks the technical rigor to even understand how what was implemented differs from his totally awesome and cool, off the cuff, reality adjacent ideas.

The myth of the supergenius CEO has real potential to influence investors, beyond that, the hard engineering is up to the engineers. Period. SpaceX wouldn't have gotten past o-ring selection with Elon at the engineering helm.


> NASA/JPL/defense contractor

Perhaps learn to look around the world. Europe has nothing, China is working on copying. New Zealand has RocketLab but looks like they've sold out to the states and is only for small payloads yet.


> Perhaps learn to look around the world. Europe has nothing, China is working on copying. New Zealand has RocketLab but looks like they've sold out to the states and is only for small payloads yet.

And which of those is also an American institution, with American educated employees and American cultural values, operating in an American legal and business framework?

Pretending NZ is a relevant comparison point is laughable. I bet SpaceX is also doing better than the 5th grade STEM class down the street!

Russia would've been a much better comparison given the history of the world we live in, but still not apples to apples.


Shedding the very slow process of “legacy” defense/aerospace companies, taking more risks, moving faster, accepting some setbacks etc does not mean you need to go full Musk. There is a middle ground.

Have you ever worked at a company? Was how profitable the company was directly related to how high-functioning it was? Not in my experience.

This is so true.

When you boil it down though, sometimes more than one company is built using almost the same exact mold, and the only major difference between them is the idea that the business plan is bult around.

More profitable ideas are good to have.

High-functioning or not.


> Why has Tesla been successful?

Survivor bias. He's had how many failed businesses? 10? Probably more.


The same reason why Microsoft was able to kick everybody else out of the PC operating system and office software sectors: everybody else was even less competent.

I always felt that Microsoft's winning move was to be consistently mediocre. They just waited until competitors screwed up. Now they're following in IBMs or Intel's footsteps - concentrating everything on the enterprise market and slowly dying.

Bill Gates was also pretty good

More capable at programming or kicking people out of contention?

I have heard similar things

> [1]Robotaxi. Someone just drove coast to coast USA fully on autopilot.

Where's the source for this?



Lasers, space, super geniuses, and most importantly money. You're worrying too much about the details and not enough about the awesomeness.

But seriously, why are all the stans in these comments as unknowledgeable as Elon himself? Is that just what is required to stan for this type of garbage?


What if every installed twitter app just acted as a proxy for grok to post as millions of different elon stans? Diabolical.

> I see what you’re saying - higher design temp radiates better despite more energy overall to dissipate.

Yes, running hotter will cause more energy to be radiated.

but

These parts are not at all designed to radiate heat - just look at the surface area of the package with respect to the amount of power they consume.


I think OP was saying hotter part -> hotter radiator attached to the part, not that the part itself will radiate significantly.

> I think OP was saying hotter part -> hotter radiator attached to the part, not that the part itself will radiate significantly.

Hmm, surely the radiator can run at arbitrary temperatures w.r.t. the objects being cooled? I'm assuming heat pump etc is already part of the design.


> Yep, definitely being scammed by not dismissing things outside my area of expertise out of hand. I wish I had your confidence about everything!

Instead you put your confidence in Elon, who has zero expertise in this area?


> Instead you put your confidence in Elon

No, I put confidence my ability to do a web search, pretty rare skill nowadays ;)

You'll see that none of these are Elon/spacex, hopefully?

https://medium.com/@cognidownunder/google-just-announced-the...

https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/starcloud

https://www.informationweek.com/it-infrastructure/lunar-data...

https://ascend-horizon.eu/

https://www.axiomspace.com/orbital-data-center


> Have you considered that people smarter than you think it is plausible?

I know many people smarter than me, plenty of them who have spent careers building data centers, and not one of them think this is plausible.

You should consider whether people smarter than the average investor are pulling a fast one.


Maybe we are talking about different things here?

I don't doubt spacex can fail at this.

I also don't doubt we are fairly close to making this plausible.

> plenty of them who have spent careers building data centers

Famously, plenty of people who have spent careers building rockets would swear that reusable rockets would absolutely never work.


>I also don't doubt we are fairly close to making this plausible.

Maybe you should doubt that. There's literally no reason to think this is plausible besides some hype merchants' say-so.


> some hype merchants

Excluding Spacex:

Nvidia, Google, China, European Commission, Blue Origin

And this being HN, a YC funded company has put a single GPU rack in space and demonstrated training a reasonable sized model on it.

But yeah, it's all hype, sure.


On the off chance you're sincere and not just heavily over indexed into Elon stocks:

It's trivial to understand why this is all hype if you pay attention to physics, as another commenter suggested earlier.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan%E2%80%93Boltzmann_law

Assume you're radiating away the heat for a single B200 (~1kW), and the max radiator temp is 100C, you find A = ~3m^2.

So that's 3 square meters per GPU. Now if you take into account that the largest planar structure deployed into space is ~3k m^2 (https://investors.lockheedmartin.com/news-releases/news-rele...), you're looking at 1000 GPUs.

That's a single aisle in a terrestrial data center.

Cost to deploy on earth vs satellite is left as an exercise to the reader.


You are missing one important thing here.

You do not radiate all the heat away from a GPU, a modern GPU can run pretty hot. Also look up how this is getting better for the next generation of GPUs.

Maybe repeat your calculation with updated assumptions?

But even if you were completely right, your argument is that we can't do this tomorrow, yes I agree. Typical technology development cycles are about 5-10 years.


> You do not radiate all the heat away from a GPU, a modern GPU can run pretty hot.

Fascinating. Tell me more.

Where does the heat energy that isn't radiated away go?


>You do not radiate all the heat away from a GPU, a modern GPU can run pretty hot.

LOL. If you don't radiate the heat the spacecraft just gets indefinitely hotter (until it glows and the heat is forcibly irradiated). It's space, there's no fluid to provide convection.


> ChatGPT is wrong. The DFU port does go through a USB controller with firmware. [1]

> [1] https://asahilinux.org/docs/hw/soc/usb-pd/

What in your linked page made you conclude this? Your link references https://web.archive.org/web/20211023034503/https://blog.t801..., which clearly states that ACE is a port controller - this is not the same as a "USB controller".


I may be able to resolve this, having hacked a bunch on M1N1 and such - the DFU port is going through a microcontroller with firmware.

That is why, for example, it can properly process USB-PD messages that contain vendor defined message codes, even prior to any form of boot, as long as it has any source of power.

The firmware on the USB controller is processing that.

This is how VDMTool works to be able to mux debug (and do other things) even with the machine otherwise off.


See my response to tpmoney - not all signals in the DFU port go to the port controller.

Then why is there only one port capable of DFU?

Doesn't that linked webarchive page say specifically that the ACE is a "Apple/TI co-designed USB Type-C Port Controller"

If that isn't a "USB Controller" what do you mean when you say "USB Controller"?


> Doesn't that linked webarchive page say specifically that the ACE is a "Apple/TI co-designed USB Type-C Port Controller" If that isn't a "USB Controller" what do you mean when you say "USB Controller"? "USB controller" in common parlance means a USB host controller, the hardware that actually controls the USB signals and interfaces with the host CPU(s). They are required no matter if the physical port is type A, B, C, ... A "port controller" is something completely different, but still related to the "USB type C port" specification. It's a piece of logic (in this case in a separate IC) that handles things like negotiating PD, as well as which protocol(s) will be used over the high speed lanes etc. See the section about pin usage in different modes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB-C comex's comment is inaccurate with respect to the commonly understood meaning of "USB controller" - while that port does have the CC lines going to ACE, the actual USB data lines go to the Apple SoC directly. This is contrasted with a different design where the USB data lines could go to a standalone IC, and that IC is connected to the Apple SoC via PCIe for example. DFU is significantly more complicated in this type of design because it requires bootstrapping and interaction with this external component.

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