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Is the "Dutch Baby" in the pancake group some alternative name for "flensjes" that I'm not familiar with? It's a thin dessert variation of Dutch pancakes that has relatively high egg and milk ratios compared to flour.

Dutch Baby or German Pancake is probably right in that abyss.

Very eggy, with some flour/milk. It's essentially a souffle, puffs up to like 6" high in the oven. Tasty with maple syrup, powdered sugar/lemon, or just butter.

6 Eggs, 1 C flour, 1C milk.

https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/36900/german-pancakes-ii/


No (1). I believe that it's "Dutch" in the same sense as "Pennsylvania Dutch" (2) - i.e. an American version of "Deutsch", actually German.

1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_baby_pancake

2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Dutch


obligatory CGP Grey https://youtu.be/eE_IUPInEuc?t=74

> Confusion continues because: People who live in the Hollands are called Hollanders, but all citizens of the Netherlands are called Dutch as is their language.

> But in Dutch they say: "Nederlands sprekende Nederlanders in Nederland" which sounds like they'd rather we call them Netherlanders speaking Netherlandish.

> Meanwhile, next door in Germany, they're "Deutsche sprechen Deutsch in Deutschland". Which sounds like they'd rather be called Dutch.


The reverse example of this is musicians who play techno with analog instruments, like Pipe Guy, Basstong, and Meute[0][1][2].

There are always some people who get extremely defensive whenever I say that techno didn't click for me until I heard this kind of "techlow" music. Specifically about the part where I think that the reason is also a human expression problem, because of limitations imposed by the electronic media used.

EDIT: having said that, I don't think I would agree with your premise, because it is colored by a subtle form of survivor bias. None of us remember what it's like to not know electronic guitars or what they sound like, so claiming "the audience intuitively understands what Jimmy Hendrix is doing" is like saying everyone "intuitively understands" their native language. On top of that there's nothing about the workings of an electronic guitar that wouldn't in principle work for something like an electronic violin or whatever.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0gED3rn2Tc

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn52b-bWfFM

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYtjttnp1Rs


You might also enjoy Beardyman, if you haven't run across him yet. Does techno and other genres with nothing but his own voice and a shedload of ipads: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYVUlx7BhhI

Nathan Flutebox Lee and Beardyman @ Google, London [1] is one of my favs. At the time it was available on 'Google Video' before they acquired YouTube. So I don't have a link to the orig. post. SPOILER: especially that theme with the Godfather when he says Google is just epic and balls.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfXaL9omQPs


Hadn't seen that one before, very fun! Did not know anyone can beatbox and flute at the same time. TIL

> There are always some people who get extremely defensive whenever I say that techno didn't click for me until I heard this kind of "techlow" music. Specifically about the part where I think that the reason is also a human expression problem, because of limitations imposed by the electronic media used.

I guess the part people don't like hearing is the implication techno is somehow not expressive. I'm not sure that it lacks expressiveness, but it is certainly more "controlled" than traditional music. When I first heard techno as a teenager in the 90s, my mind was blown. I remember exactly where I was the first time I heard Underworld [1], Photek [2], and Autechre [3]. I think I was attracted to these sounds _because_ they were so different. I think it's hard for electronic music fans like myself to accept the idea that it isn't expressive _because_ it is so different. Isn't it just a different kind of expression?

Still, people like what they like. I'm glad you found a version of dance music that works for you. I've long since moved on being judgmental about people's musical tastes. I think it's just wonderful that music exists at all!

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5GjVvlmg3o [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xl1xzSRaV0 [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6zT3kVtpHc


> I guess the part people don't like hearing is the implication techno is somehow not expressive.

I think of it more like a painter's palette: every instrument and tool involved in creating music has a different set of colors to choose from, and can also filter some "colors" out if we think of things like audio processing filters.

The tools and techniques typically used to produce techno filter out "colors" that feel essential to me to connect with a song, and yeah, that "controlled" aspect of it is probably a large part of that. That doesn't mean it's not expressive, it's just expressive in a way that I struggle to connect with.

EDIT: funny enough I actually have protanomaly, so my choice of analogy is slightly ironic there. Some visual art and design out there objectively looks terrible from my subjective experience, since the colors look completely off. But that doesn't mean I'm saying the art is objectively bad.


Legends Never Die - ‪Leagueoflegends‬ + Ethnic Instruments by Belle Sisoski [1]. And no, I've never played LoL, I probably never will, and I haven't seen that series based on it (Arcana or something?) either.

Also, I haven't checked what Juno Reactor do these days, but their old work is phantastic. My fav show of them is Juno Reactor – Shango Tour 2001 Tokyo [2].

For electric violin, I love Ed Alleyne-Johnson [3]. Never seen him live (I'm not from UK) but I own a couple of his earlier works. It reminds me of that time when my dad was in his final years of his lives, and when he finally passed away. Makes me cry every time.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMIL1YbUQrI

[2] https://www.discogs.com/master/782091-Juno-Reactor-Shango-To...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Alleyne-Johnson


The whole thing about people being defensive is interesting. I love techno, but anyone who has learned other styles of music recognizes the repetitiveness and quirks of a lot of techno and some other electronic genres.

They do a great job with changing their timbre and tones but often ignore a bunch of other factors that make music interesting. Whether that is the rarity of time signatures other than 4/4, the way certain rhythms are locked into certain genres, the choices of keys used, the limited or missing chords, etc.. at some point you start hearing two electronic songs that sound totally different at a superficial level and you realize they're incredibly derivative of each other.


>musicians who play techno with analog instruments

just to be clear, Moog synthesizers (and a number of other brands) are electronic yes, but they are analog electronics.


Great recommendations. Throwing Klangphonics in the ring even though they use electronic instruments as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bixtQAq2LzE


Nice addition! First time I heard of them and I'm liking what I'm hearing so far.

And just to clarify: I don't dislike electronic instruments. I just think that on some subconscious level the human brain can detect other humans playing a live instrument. Like there's something "embodied" in the sound that is likely missing from a pure electronic instrument. And I needed that element to "unlock" access to techno.


Yep, there's a reason we have the industry term "humanization" in sound design, composition and arrangement.

Tons of work has been done on various modes of humanization by trying to parameterize and modulate these aspects over time. Timing accuracy, velocity variance, chance, etc.

A well-played instrument certainly feels like someone speaking and expressing themselves to you. There are attempts to capture this with MPE instruments such as the Osmose, or Imogen Heap's MiMU gloves.

https://www.expressivee.com/2-osmose

https://mimugloves.com/


There’s a big difference between ‘electronic’ analogue instruments in music, and digital sequenced synths.

I was trying to be inclusive by treating anything that can produce music as an "instrument", but I suppose you're right.

I don't write Go but respect to the author for trying to list trade-off considerations for each of the implementations tested, and not just proclaim their library the overal winner.

Thanks. There are downsides in each approach, e.g. if you care about minimal allocation rate, you should go with plain map + RWMutex. So yeah, no silver bullet.

There almost never is. The fact that you acknowledge it and give context only would make me more confident in trying out your library, or any of the other listed (if I wrote Go code, that is).

Are you talking about Cuckoo++ tables, perhaps? If not can you point me to the hash table you had in mind? Always fun to learn of a new approach.

https://github.com/technicolor-research/cuckoopp


IIRC, it's this paper: https://db.in.tum.de/~birler/papers/hashtable.pdf

I never implemented their hash table, but it opened my eyes to the technique of a tiny Bloom filter, which I've used now a couple of times to fairly good (if small) effect. :-)


Thanks! This'll be a fun read :)

It also means people with color vision deficiencies like me don't struggle distinguishing all the hues.

> Perhaps none of us have in that Forth doesn't have much of a large dataset to train from?

Well, being terse as heck is the point of Forth so of course the dataset isn't large /j.

More seriously, I think the bigger issue is that Forth isn't exactly uniform. It is so moldable that everyone has their own style


phreda4 has been doing cool stuff with ColorForth-likes for ages and for some reason barely gets any attention for it. Always brings a smile to my face to see it submitted here

Sounds like I should try this together with ametameric, which I've been using since I have protanomaly

[0] https://ctx.graphics/terminal/ametameric/


I'm not sure if our convention for hexadecimal notation is old enough to have been a consideration.

EDIT: it would need to predate the 6-bit teletype codes that preceded ASCII.


I don't really follow Racket, but I recall that few years ago one apparently fairly significant contributor within their community wrote a blog post about Racket having a Missing Stair problem involving another even more significant (possibly foundational) contributor.

I'm a complete outsider, cannot find that blog post any more, and also just not invested in the language at all, so I'm hesitant draw conclusions about the validity of any of the accusations that were thrown back and forth at the time, but it seems pretty obvious to me that it's inevitable that the community will end up being split after an event like that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_stair



if it's Felleisen, then i'm surprised. i've met him on a conference for a couple of days about a decade ago, and my memory is of a nononsense guy with whom our vision of programming resonated a lot.

i was coming from the CL side of the isle, i hadn't known his work prior to that.


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