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I am using 80% of my time working with Dasung eink monitor. The advantages are: -Zero eyestrain -Focussed work/Less Distraction -Less temptation to do anything else (e.g. videos) because its not inviting to do so -More energy after work day and improve of sleep quality -No Bluelight exposure

Disadvantages: -Only BW so need to look at normal screen for graphics -Needed two eink screens otherwise two small to work (but ordered now the 25inch one)

Here is a pic of my setup (actually Dasung featured it): https://twitter.com/DasungTech/status/1391693381726658561/ph...

The 25 inch screen is already out and ordered mine, can't wait for it to come: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/paperlike-253-the-first-2...


I was expecting a higher price point. It's a massive size for an eink monitor.


Hopefully the price keeps going down over time, not only for this device but for other similar devices like this one. I'd really like to find an affordable eInk display that isn't too far of a regular screen price point­.


They are quite expensive


I was wondering about further technical limitations, but that's definitely one as well.


+1


That's a good point, what is the first adressable market for such a product to gain first momentum before it can become mainstream. Those seem to be low hanging fruits:

-Writers -Coders/Terminal Users like sysadmins -DIY/Hardware Hackers/Raspberry PI/ESP32/Cyberdeck folks -Productivity Hackers -Health Tech folks -Gadget Lovers -Limited Functionality Devices for Education -Folks with medical pre-conditions who need to use eink (e.g. https://dasung-tech.myshopify.com/blogs/news/how-dasungs-e-i...)

I think there is a market, I am just surprised that we take usual monitor like eye-strain as well as the blue light for granted and haven't done anything against it for years. Even though we are having more display usage than ever.


Direct invite link to EI2030 community discord for anyone that doesn't want to search: https://discord.gg/nnxKnxh


You should join our eink community: we are working on an open source eink laptop. Join our Discord server: https://forum.ei2030.org/t/welcome-to-the-ei2030-forum/7


Why a laptop and not just a mobile monitor?


You can already by a 13 inch mobile e-ink monitor. There's the Onyx Boox Max series starting with the Max2 (the current model is the Max Lumi) with HDMI in and the Dasung Paperlike monitor. They are pricey, however.


What would be an advantage of that?


If you have some kind of overlay screen you can have both worlds. But I was still under the impression that E-ink was the only option. Today I learnt about transflective screens. I hope they catch on. I would buy it.


It can be used as a PC display, which I'd kill for (figuratively) as long as it's affordable. If it's $200 or more, that's not what I consider affordable.


To develop a laptop is a much bigger goal than developing a monitor.

And everyone has different taste/priorities when it comes to laptops.

I would like to put the monitor on a stand behind the laptop so it is on eye height.


Since such a screen would be most usable outdoors, I wonder about the setup. I guess if it'd be light and thin enough it could be put on top of the screen in that case? Or would you have a separate stand for it?


I would think a seperate stand. So I can put it behind the laptop and get it to eye height.


E-ink monitors already exist. Look up the Dasung e-ink monitor.


That might be an option. Have you tried them?


I have one and use it outside regularly (e.g. [0]), it's pretty amazing!

There's some open-source tooling[1] for it which can control screen features like brightness/refreshes/rendering modes/... and I've set it up[2] to work with my unprivileged user so that I can bind these features to keys in my Emacs.

With these screens you want to use light themes, and use tooling to improve contrast on websites (a friend wrote a Firefox extension[3] which is amazing for this).

[0]: https://photos.app.goo.gl/eGgGYR7ecBqv9gqy8

[1]: https://github.com/leoluk/paperlike-go

[2]: https://cl.tvl.fyi/c/depot/+/3029

[3]: https://github.com/adisbladis/einkmode-firefox


yes and eink monitor would be certainly an alternativ for you (i.e. Dasung monitor). Or even an eink laptop. We are actually working on building one at EI2030. Follow our twitter and join our discord: https://twitter.com/EI2030_official/status/13709912725598412...


Awesome list ! Join our working group: forum.ei2030.org


We are actively working on this problem: E-Ink UX Design, join our working group: https://forum.ei2030.org/t/papertop-laptop/136

There is a link to our discord channel in the thread.


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