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They should give them away. I’d never spend $600 on any kind of windows product. Maybe we can install linux on it? But you’d have to be smoking crack not to buy a mac mini m1. It’s the best computer I ever used hands down


When Apple released its $500 ARM dev kit ahead of the M1, they offered a $200 credit in exchange for return. Something equivalent seems appropriate here. This isn’t meant to be a computer for mass consumption so shouldn’t be compared to the M1 Mini.


It seems to be priced relatively cheap already with 32GB Ram and a 512GB SSD. A Mac mini with only 16GB of memory already costs nearly twice as much and I really wish there were a 32 gb mini at all. I like my Mac mini, but I hit the memory limit from time to time.


Rumors claim a M2 mini in the next month, with a max of 24GB ram. Even more interesting is the rumor there will be a M2 pro mini which doubles the max ram and adds more CPU/GPU perf.


Can a mac mini m1 run Windows?


Virtualized, yes. For most purposes, an M1/M2 Mac is an excellent platform for developing stuff for Windows ARM64.


No, not x86 Windows. You can only virtualize ARM Windows, which the other answers mean.


Yes, in Parallels.



if you don't want to spend money on it, just dont buy one. It's ok for something to be made for people who aren't you.


I mean crack, or a specific use case that isn't Mac bound like some kinds of development.

But probably crack


this is actually great news for the planet


Can't build a nuclear plant, not green enough. Just detonate a couple of fatman's over some population centers.


For nuclear winter it would need to be substantially more, and for crop failure necessary for population reduction, a full nuclear exchange


Their censorship function is broken because you can just make a new account in 30 seconds from a new ip which is automatic now with safari relay. This is like my 50th account. And there’s no real benefit to amassing points except for the mods and users to threaten taking them away to keep you singing the woke village tune and not criticize YC startups. But you know that’s a loss to HN, because there’s a great deal of value in dissenting opinion. Don’t you want to know if you have a delusional bad idea? Of course that’s valuable feedback. The self censorship flagging is also a nasty feature allowing crypto zealots to control the narrative. Take for example that ridiculous eyeball scanning crypto scam. Any criticism was censored, and then twitter found out and shot it down in glorious style. Well and Edward Snowden. Would’ve benefited the creators to actually listen to the criticism, which was super valid, over censoring it on a backwater forum to give the false impression of endorsement by the bay.


Neat to see a RISC V laptop but they must be smoking crack if they think I’m paying $1500 for the privilege of recompiling my operating system really, really slowly. And the 5k option is outright predatory. Someone needs to protect the vulnerable enthusiast market (you know who I’m referring to) from this kind of pricing. Ask a fair price. It’s an $800 laptop, maxed out.


It's a small-batch release of extremely-enthusiast hardware for a very niche segment of customers. They could charge $10,000 a pop and probably have no problem selling out.

There are cheap RISC-V dev boards if you want to use them, but this is mostly evidently not that. These people wanted to see if they could build a fairly decent 'all-in' RISC-V machine, and it looks like they did.


Wait till you hear about the Talos POWER-architecture computers

https://www.raptorcs.com/


TALOS at least has a reason to exist, as eye-wateringly expensive as it is.


How is Talos any different? Just POWER vs RISC-V


Talos makes it harder to backdoor the machine, because it’s radically open. An average RISC-V or ARM machine still contains various blobs and design compromises that make it harder to know that your code (or at least, code reviewed by you/the community at large) is the only thing running on the machine.

I wouldn’t recommend Talos to anyone who doesn’t have the need for it (and vast pockets to match), but I wish every ARM and RISC-V machine could be as open and trustable.


I think you're forgetting whom this product is aimed at. Also small batch vs a quantity product produced en masse like a latitude.


Those are such crappy laptops the latitude. So flimsy, such garbage


If you pay a twice the rental cost and watch the movie a dozen times, that’s your moneys worth. Nobody wants to hold onto a DVD for 20 years to rewatch an old movie again and again and again and pass it onto their grandkids. This is just ridiculous, streaming movies is absolutely the future. The days of 50tb drive arrays with every Hollywood movie are over not because of a new world order but because the time trade off and all that effort just isn't worth the $4 to sit and enjoy the movie in one of your finite days on Earth


The orange pi’s are so nice now. They come w a metal box just like a Mac mini


Haven't seen that, I'll have to check it out! I've got an orange pi zero and zero2. The zero fits great in an Altoids tin, with a bit of extra space for the power cord.


No it isn’t. Ok sure, there are only so many bitcoins that can be mined. But - there’s 50k alt currencies that have fallen out of the sky, most also with scarcity. Why are they worthless while bitcoin holds value?. In fact the scarcity in cryptocurrency isn’t the tokens at all rather the collective expendable income of gullible users. They’re for the most part running a net loss, and even those ahead on paper need to go through a regulated exchange for a payout with all the questions that come with that giant pile of money.


Bye Nick! Thanks for all the blinking lights!!


The desktop experience is still a mess. They’ve become complacent with ‘it works out of the box’ but that’s not the bar. Apple sets the bar and there’s no prize for second place. You’re on Apple or Linux or brain damaged and using Windows, but nobodies using two as their primary driver, and so one ecosystem dominates. I’m glad it’s Apple because the GNU crowd are virtue signalers first and software developers second. For all their yapping the linux desktop speaks for itself


I use MATE as my daily driver and macOS for work. MATE multimonitor support is so much better that I'd rather stick with that and deal with the other stuff where it's not as good as macOS.

See this about the multi monitor stuff on macOS: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31361974


I felt the same way and was a macOS user on the desktop for close to a decade. Having used Plasma Desktop via a rolling release distribution as a daily driver dispelled that feeling, though.

It looks good, it's fast and feels professional. The jankiness I used to associate with desktop Linux just isn't there. It's actually stable and reliable, whereas on macOS, I'd run into issues with Bluetooth, or with WindowServer or some other opaque macOS service hogging 100% of CPU time for no apparent reason. Linux tends to have better hardware support, as well, especially for older hardware that might have older drivers that don't support modern macOS.

I'm of the opinion that if someone's needs, even a layman's needs, can be satisfied with ChromeOS, then Plasma Desktop with a browser would satisfy them, too.


Could not disagree more. You mistake your subjective preferences for objective facts.


> The desktop experience is still a mess.

The closest I have seen to creating a good experience was Ubuntu Unity.

I noticed it being used in universities, and in the office I used to work at.

I'm disappointed that the Unity project wasn't taken forward, and it seems to me that Gnome just reimplemented it, but missed many best parts of the original.


Unity is still maintained and Canonical recently made Ubuntu Unity an official Ubuntu flavor.

https://ubuntuunity.org/

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Ubuntu-Unity-22.10-Official


The 2d desktop is over anyway. Tomorrows desktop is 3d AR


Right, with cold fusion powered jet packs as well i presume?


I get motion sickness from headsets, so that will involve vomit all over my work area, constantly.


Could you explain more about about the "messy desktop experience"?

Many years ago, around 2006-2008, my PC exclusively ran Slackware after saying goodbye to XP. It wasn't really beefy, so I installed FVWM. I could do all the university assignments on it. Internet browsing, multimedia, USB plug n play, printing etc etc worked fine. Guess my use cases were kinda minimalistic.

These days I mostly work on Mac, but still have a headless Linux PC running for personal tinkering. Probably I need to have another taste of Linux desktop experience :D


> These days I mostly work on Mac, but still have a headless Linux PC running for personal tinkering. Probably I need to have another taste of Linux desktop experience :D

Try out modern Plasma/KDE, it's actually really nice. I say this as someone who has disliked KDE for a very long time before using Plasma.


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Linux can’t even do a “smooth” trackpad experience. Not to mention HiDPI monitors didn’t work last time I tried.

I use Linux when I specifically do not want a desktop. A headless server.


I remember vividly smashing the stylus into the unresponsive tft screen until it broke in a white rage. The n900 totally sucked, although it did look neat. The wifi sucked, the screen sucked, no capacitive touch. Also the battery sucked like one and a half hours screentime. And the apps they sucked. Oh and it was slow enough every webpage loaded would have you near tears in anticipation. But - to nokias credit, it did fit into your pocket, helpfully to compensate for the wad of cash absent after the purchase.


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