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And what do you think investors in OAI et al are expecting?


I think there is a hype around it becoming revolutionary and so on, but I also think investors would get an decent ROI even if it just ends up that 50+ million of users pay 20$ a month, on top of some enterprise contracts and API fees and so on. Or the inevitable Ad-supported access.

In my opinion, it's already useful enough, given the use-cases I described, to reach that level.


Spot on Sir


Making good software isn’t what matters in most workplaces - making software that works (even if you have taped over the cracks) is.

It’s always been this way in toxic workplaces - LLM’s amplify this.


As someone who is more involved in shaping the product direction rather than engineering what composes the product - I will readily admit many product people are utterly, utterly clueless.

Most people have no clue the craftsmanship, work etc it takes to create a great product. LLMs are not going to change this, in fact they serve as a distraction.

I’m not a SWE so I gain nothing by being bearish on the contributions of LLMs to the real economy ;)


Oh, it wasn't a bash on product people, I'm sorry if it came off that way.

It's a reference to a trope where the VP of Eng or CTO (who was an engineer decades ago) gets it in their head that they want to code again and writes something absolute dogshit terrible because their skills have degraded. Unfortunately they are your boss's boss's boss and can make you deal with it anyways.

I've actually seen it IRL once, to his credit the dude finally realized the engineer smiles were pained grimaces and it got quietly dropped lol.


AI first of all is not a technology.

Can people get their words straight before typing?


Is LLM a technology? Are you complaining about the use of AI to mean LLM? Because I think that ship has sailed


They are focused on reducing costs in order to survive. Pure and simple.

Alphabet / Google doesn’t have that issue. OAI and other money losing firms do.


Yep. Let’s see the projects and more importantly the incremental returns…


There’s a weird thing going on - I can see value in using LLM’s to put something together so you can see it rather than investing time to do it properly initially.

But to just copy, paste and move on… terrible.


Thats the gist of it. I've been trying to tell the founders that if we invest 2x more time on proper planning we will get 20x more outcomes in return. It's as simple as that, its not about just writing stuff and pushing, its about understanding the boundaries of what you make, how it talks with other stuff, and what are the compromises you are willing to take in return for faster speeds.


You are correct. I wouldn’t waste your time arguing with people who don’t get it.

Those people don’t tend to have a good understanding of what most humans like and why they like stuff like music.


I wonder why the head honchos of the music industry haven’t come together and put together an alternative to Spotify’s increasingly AI-slop platform


Boom we did: https://hangout.fm/


> an alternative to Spotify’s increasingly AI-slop platform

> Boom we did: https://hangout.fm/

clicks link, scrolls down one screen

> Let’s get something started! Create your own hangout or craft a new song

> Big purple "(sparkles) Generate music" button


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