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That's not THE problem. The problem is that they can't encode/decode text. They lack experience, vocabulary, knowledge and all these little small things needed to communicate via (not necessarily written) text. It's not dyslexia.

It takes thousands of hours of reading and writing to get competent at both.

There is no fight actually and noone is complaining "kids these days" at the moment. KIds are not the ones to blame in current situation. It's 100% work left undone by previous generations.

Most of comments seem to assume that education system have been functioning up to this point, LLM-s appear and there are somewhere solutions ready to adapt. That's just not the case. For many reasons – parental problems, early development, phones, social media, decline of responsibility, changes in educational principles in general etc etc etc – education is already in free fall almost all over the world.

Average student even in universities is functionally illiterate now, it's not an exaggeration. Even if we assume that there is LLM which would help to learn, how these students should use it?

https://hilariusbookbinder.substack.com/p/the-average-colleg...


How these students should learn it, indeed.

It's not just about parents, it's about our (western) society as a whole. While Germany has a bigger problems because of massive immigration, all this sound familiar for all teachers from Eastern-Europe to the US. We stopped treating people as being accountable for their own actions. This is true for parents, children etc. It's OK to have every possible excuse – "I'm immigrant, single mother, immature, don't have an education etc" not to take any responsibility and people take advantage of it. This is the idea that you just have to treat people well and it fixes all sorts issues in society failing.


I somewhat agree, with the caveat being when your citizens do it, you're stuck with the poor behavior because they have rights to be on the soil. You get another chance to do better when their kids become adults (and either choose to be childfree [1], or become parents, but hopefully engaged and active in the effort). When immigrants do it, you have options, because depending on your residency model, you can ask them to leave if they are not adhering to your systems designed to lead to desired outcomes. You can treat people well and they still don't perform to expectations. Broadly speaking, you don't want an endless obligation of having to provide material amounts of support and services (which comes out of the pocket of taxpayer citizens) to people who don't give AF, but we should be accepting of inevitable drag when people did try and still fail (such is life). It's a poor outcome for everyone involved imho, but accountability is very important in the context of child rearing.

[1] https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~jesusfv/Slides_London.pdf


That's what I'm really afraid of – we will be drowning in the AI slop as a society and we'll loose the most important thing that made free and democratic society possible - a trust. People just don't tust anyone and/or anything any more. And the lack of trust, especially in scale, is very expensive.


Yep. And trust is already at all time lows for science, as if it couldn't get any worse.


No. It might be much much worse than 38% outside of these elite schools, but a little bit different. This is in fact one of the reasons public education falls off the cliff. I've seen a teacher leaving elementary after she found out that 19 kids out of 24 in her class had some kind of learning disability needing special treatment, special help, assignments specially designed for them etc. In her own words all of them were completely normal kids except maybe 1 or 2.


I've heard people working in construction industry mentioning that quality of design fell off the cliff when industry began to use computers more widely – less time and less people involved. The same is true about printing – there was much more time and people in the loop before computers. My grandmother worked with linotype machine printing newspapers. They were really good at catching and fixing grammar errors, sometimes catching even factual errors etc.


Damn, my bad. The point is that it's the topic again - https://www.euractiv.com/news/norway-may-break-up-with-europ...


No worries, new thread cut and added to my top level comment. Thanks for sharing.


There have always been problems like this. I had a classmate who wrote poems and short stories since age 6. No teacher believed she wrote those herself. She became a poet, translator and writer and admitted herself later in life that she wouldn't have believed it herself.


Not a GP and I don't know if any of these qualifies as "left-ish" (which is very US specific IMHO), but as I understand, the education all over the western culture is destroyed by few really simple and really crazy (for me) ideas:

- Kids are never responsible for anything.

- Teachers are responsible for everything.


That's a parenting problem though, not an education problem, right?


Actually no. The problem comes from society. If you think that kids should be responsible for anything, you are a bad person. If you think that kids should be punished if they do something really bad, you are a monster.

Here we had a case teenagers bullying their teacher – abused her verbally during school, posted deepfake revenge porn into internet, stole stuff from her garden etc. She cried for help and the case was investigated by commission that included people from people from ministry of education, police and psychologists. But the commission concluded that she was the problem – she lacked the skills to build a trusting relationship with kids.


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