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I feel like everyone is very negative about something that hasn't happened yet. This gives a desktop environment to Canva users, where the revenue actually is. It's both a trojan horse and a usable product. Will everyone's worse fears come true? Maybe, maybe not. Mean time you have an excellent app, for free, and very few software products, free, open source, closed source, perpetual, subscription.... last "forever". They are often obsoleted by some new product, new workflow or just a new OS. Take it for what it is right now.


The new version is a nice update over v2, with some great new features.

The downside is that some useful features like background removal will never come to the non-subscription version. OTOH, the subscription is cheap if you think of it as license cost for an Adobe alternative.


It’s already happened: when trying to download, I can’t sign up for “security reasons”.

This never happened to me when getting something from the AppStore, or from anyone else really. And that’s the problem with cloudgarbage, you have zero control over it.


> Will everyone's worse fears come true?

Yes, they will. Enshittification is a constant and is driven by misaligned investment incentives to that of good products.


> Will everyone's worse fears come true?

I mean, it's sort of inevitable. Eventually, Canva will find itself under pressure to grow revenue (or even just weather a downturn). The maintenance of a complex desktop application is expensive and there will be pressure to increase "conversions" by putting more and more of the useful functions behind a paywall.

That said, their immediate goal is probably to take away customers from Adobe, and right now, the product is free, has more features than the old Affinity, doesn't need to talk to activation servers on an ongoing basis, and doesn't auto-update. So we should enjoy it while it lasts.


Bit late to this thread, but you mention their design defects which bother the shit out of me. It’s been this way a long time now, but I hate, absolutely HATE how they changed save as (cmd+shift+s) to duplicate document in some of their apps. And then you close the duplicated document because that is not what you wanted, and it asks you if you really want to delete it. Delete what? It does not exist on the file system! I know one might say that technically it does or something because of versioning or some shit… the way every other OS and non-Apple app works was not broken. And I dont know anyone who likes pasting in text formatting as a default. MS broke that too. Why would ya change the functionality of an existing keyboard shortcut?


yep. dickheads.


It's why I never really bothered with Mac OS or iOS development. I don't have time to waste searching for answers. What an absolute PITA.

I like learning from 3rd party sources, but there HAS to be an official, maintained 1st party source or there is no point.


I'm a teapot.


I'm mass-energy.


Yeah you can tell dumb people from smart people, dumb people, when they are older, think they know a thing to two by virtue of being older, while smart people recognize other smart people regardless of age.

Well, that’s one way that’s relevant to the discussion anyway.


And yet styling form elements is still pretty limited.


I'm sorry, should they have voted for Trump instead? Those where the only real pragmatic choices. I'm not sure if the boomers listening to music with messages about political change are the same boomers who voted for Reagan. Those who want real change are always dwarfed by "moderate" status quo types, who are largely apolitical and uninformed and therefore easily swayed by fascist messages such is the fundamental nature of the average person throughout time. It takes effort and thought to remain progressive.


I'd like to know if any nation actually uses something other than dpi in printing.


DPI is one of my pet peeves, together with points. Why not use mm for font size?

Instead of DPI, one could use µm per px, or px per (c)m if you want something easier to work with at very high DPI.

I know what DPI and points are, but just because I know a few values and can say "that one's large", "this one is small", with no idea how much they act iually measure. With other units I could approximate the viewing distance much better.


> DPI is one of my pet peeves, together with points. Why not use mm for font size?

Easy halving, the same reason why A4 has been extolled.


Defining 1mpt = 0.1mm would be just as good.

Normal text would be 40mpt = 4mm = 11.33pt.

But there are already metric point definitions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_(typography)


Those things come with the prevailing manufacturing country, which was the US for printers and such. So people just keep it.


This is kind of less about the mistake of using a catchall and more about the mistake of naming it so obviously.


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