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> Yachts don't buy themselves, you know!

No but open source rugpulls do!


I’m not really worried about energy consumption. We have more energy falling out of the sky than we could ever need. I’m much more interested in saving human time so we can focus on bigger problems, like using that free energy instead of killing ourselves extracting and burning limited resources.

The problem is our primitive text representation online. The formatting should be localized but there’s not a number type I can easily insert inline in a text box.

> I think it is the point: there is a balance between freedom and safety.

Sometimes. But freedom and security are not always opposed.

It’s possible to trade freedom for security but it’s also possible that freedom creates security. Both can be true at the same time. Surveillance, not security, is what opposes freedom. Surveillance simply trades one form of insecurity for another at the cost of freedom.

> For example, it is illegal to carry a loaded handgun onto a plane. Most people would agree that is an acceptable trade of freedom for safety.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

2A seems to make the case that the freedom to bear arms creates security. Given how history played out it’s hard to argue against. I’m not arguing we should be able to take guns on planes but 2A is an example of freedom creating security.


If I squint gun control doesn’t look much different than legalized drugs. They’re both just a question of how restrictive the regulation is.

There are still legal ways to have a gun in Australia and many other countries that “ban guns”. They don’t have total bans, they just have more restrictive regulations than the United States.

Consider how we regulate alcohol or marijuana as examples of how legalization of drugs works.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control


The banking information belongs to the account holder and the bank. Google knows it by coincidence but should not share it because it isn’t theirs. If the government wants to know my banking details they can ask my bank. If they can’t figure out who my bank is they should get better at investigating. This approach is just exploiting Google’s wide reach.

Why would we accept that instead of changing it?

My interpretation of ModernMech's comment is that acceptance is a pre-requisite of changing it.

ie. if you didn't accept it, then you wouldn't feel the need to change it.


I agree that is the most favorable interpretation.

That's how I meant it but now actually I don't agree with the usage of "accept", because acceptance implies consent. So I would change the word to "acknowledge".

Is it fully open source so it can survive being abandoned by Microsoft?

From my understanding, .NET, C# F# are all open source. The main thing in the tool chain that isnt is Visual Studio but most people can get by with VS Code

Highly recommend using JetBrains Rider instead if you want the best IDE experience. It's not a Microsoft product & is used by a large percentage of .NET devs.

You are correct to mention that especially since theyve eased up on their licensing recently, I had in mind that it was still paid for software like Visual Studio. Rider is much better for .NET than VS code!

There's also mono

yes a key part of the ecosystem! Roslyn is open source as well IIRC

vs code plugin is not free and opensource


No thanks.

“Can the F# ecosystem survive losing the support of Microsoft?” Is not the kind of question that can be answered by looking at a GitHub repo.

The purpose of this website is conversion, particularly with experts. Asking a question shouldn’t be met with pithy links that don’t answer the question.


The F# ecosystem probably would not survive abandonment by Microsoft. F# the language would probably be fine, but without the .NET runtime and tooling, it probably wouldn't be compelling. It is not widely adopted in industry, so I think finding corporate sponsorship sufficient to keep it up at the level of the other languages is slim. I don't imagine a world where there is enough community support to keep it relevant.

F# has been a first-class language in .NET for at least 15 years and has lived on under Ballmer and Satya. It seems to serve as a useful R&D program for both the runtime's capabilities and for features that may go into C#, which will be the premiere language barring a cataclysm. I don't think it's quite as precarious as it might seem on the surface.


C# is in the top 5 most popular languages. If MS dropped support I actually think there are a lot of players would be happy to take it up.

The real risk would be not dropping it up but instead giving a slow death by drip feeding support or somehow filling it with ads.


I don't think C# is going to be dropped in the foreseeable future. I don't really think F# will be either, for the reasons I just articulated, but the thought is experiment is "can F# survive if Microsoft drops it."

Theres also the danger of microsoft being required to switch it off over sanctioning to your geographic region so be aware of that if you live outside the US

ide is proprietary, inuding vs code plugin

Yes.

> If you tax too much wealthy people, they will leave

You say this like it’s a bad thing.


> I also remember the pants-less man on the side of the strode but that is a different story

Is it though? How much lead can you breathe before you totally lose your mind?


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