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You say that, the the psychology today deliberately does not link to the study. It links to several studies but not the one they're writing about. The most they identify it as is a 2002 Times/CNN survey.

If you have the actual study please share it. Right now, I doubt the veracity of psychology today's claims.

In fact I've done more digging since posting this and the only other people talking about this survey is citing psychology today as their source. I can find no primary sources.


That poll is not published. But if you doubt the veracity of Psychology Today, it's easy enough to verify that Time/CNN sponsored it and published on the results: https://time.com/archive/6666859/should-we-all-be-vegetarian...

You can find other Time articles that cover their methodology, which involves paying a polling (or consulting) firm to run the poll.

> It links to several studies but not the one they're writing about.

Which one do you think is "the one they're writing about"? The Psychology Today piece opens with a description of the current state of affairs.

You might or might not have noticed that immediately after the mention of the Time poll, Psychology Today links to a survey published by the USDA finding that, among self-described vegetarians, 64% reported eating meat within the last 24 hours. Why do you doubt the Time poll?


Got a link to the manifesto? My kagi-fu isn't finding it

Speaking of subscriptions, how is the Kagi one working out for you? Is it worth the switch?

Depends, I love it and am happy to pay for it out of privacy concerns and supporting a non-monopolist. It's got some neat features that I use all the time that google doesn't have. Is it's search results better than google? Maybe. Maybe not. I do know when I can't find something on kagi, google doesn't either.

I have no clue where I read it, that was back when meh.com launched eleven-ish years ago. I didn't find it in a hot minute of searching either. I did find these, some of which talk about the circumstances obliquely:

https://www.ecommercefuel.com/woot/

https://techcrunch.com/2014/06/27/woot-reborn-as-meh/

https://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/2014/july/...

https://meh.com/forum/topics/year-one-meh-stats--mediocre-st...


Would you say the same about a block list that blocks anything else? I don't care how obvious an ad is, I don't want to see it. Same with social widgets or cookie consent banners, or newsletter sign-ups.

But I wouldn't call the person that maintains the news letter popup block list as "newsletter hater"


>Would you say the same about a block list that blocks anything else? I don't care how obvious an ad is, I don't want to see it. Same with social widgets or cookie consent banners, or newsletter sign-ups.

He's not complaining that widgets for his favorite social network site is getting blocked, he's complaining that anything vaguely related to social networks are getting banned. Some of the sites on that list are stuff like chatgpt.com, which might be AI related, but clearly doesn't fit the criteria of "AI generated content, for the purposes of cleaning image search engines".


And who are you and why should we trust you?

Its like going 70 mph in a sleepy subdivision because a road sign on the interstate says you can go 70 there.

Trump is taking an law that says "You can do X if Y" and saying "I can do X"

150 days thing is just moving the goal posts.


> Its like going 70 mph in a sleepy subdivision because a road sign on the interstate says you can go 70 there.

> Trump is taking an law that says "You can do X if Y" and saying "I can do X"

I think it's more like going 70mph downtown because there's a sign saying "if onn an interstate you can do 70mph" -- the "if on an interstate" is pretty important there!


Oh please. Its tempera paint. It'll probably wash off in the next rain.

> Its tempera paint. It'll probably wash off in the next rain

If they do it right. If they don’t, it doesn’t. And between the action and the next rain, Flock Safety gets to message about vandalism.


You're assuming that that "message" would persuade anybody.

It'd be more likely to make more people do it.


Your misbehavior is so egregious we have to reward you for it

> Google phones are not going to suddenly become luxury devices

Pixel Fold disagrees.

> When my wife is on call she gets random whatsapp notifications dinging all night, whereas when I had an iphone I could set Focus mode and achieve proper "phone calls only".

You can do that with do not disturb.

> Android is not good. I use it despite its flaws, because of the trade-offs, not because it's better.

That is your opinion. My opinion is different.


90% of your usage on your phone is banking apps or NFC payments? That seems hard to believe.

I don't know if it is generational or regional or what, but there is a solid segment of people that live in very close contact with their bank.

On average, people spend 4 hours and 37 minutes on their phone, per day [1].

I find it hard to believe someone would spend 4 hours and 9 minutes _per day_ looking at their banking app or using NFC payments.

[1] https://explodingtopics.com/blog/smartphone-usage-stats


Your assumption they used their phone an average time was false probably.

That's pretty much my usage pattern too, including some group texting, the occasional call and sometimes taking photos/videos. Otherwise my phone pretty much stays in my pocket or on my table the entire day. What are you using your phone for that makes that so unbelievable?

I used my bank app yesterday, but since then I've used:

whatsapp, phone, push authenticator, safari (having followed a link from a message), spotify, slack, mail, calandar, disney plus and camera

Do you not do any of that on a mobile device?


I do use whatsapp, camera and the phone functionality, web browsing very seldom, mostly for "emergencies". Spotify, work chat, mail, calendar and watching entertainment is all stuff I either do at my desktop or on the TV, never use the phone for those things.

Web browsing (like right now), photos, e-books, lots of messaging, music, sometimes video.

I use NFC payments often, but I wouldn't say that amounts to more than a few percent of my total usage.

Everyone uses their phones differently, of course. I don't think your use is unbelievable or odd, but I do think your use patterns are not the common case.


When my friend told me not to put my hand in the fire, I knew it was time to stick it in and not pull it out, no matter what it cost me.

Not sure what your story has to do with the discussion at hand. On average people do not beat the market, the market can be irrational longer than you are solvent but also most people probably have not done any modeling and so these are really feelings and not real economic bets.

Your statement was deciding to do something based solely on the fact that someone else advised them not to do that. So I presented the same scenario with the same logical process.

It isn't valid. It's being a contrarian, and not the outgrowth of some logical process.


No my statement was the usual joke that it’s always best to do the opposite of the herd. Once everyone is buying beanie babies the market is probably getting saturated. With all these bubble comments on HN I think it’s very much the same.

Is there a bubble? Probably. Is it going to pop, probably not.


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