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Very related discussion from 6 months ago:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43724267


Direct File won’t happen in 2026, Intuit TurboTax tells states[1]

There, fixed that for you.

[1] Very related discussion six months ago posted by me.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43724267




As usual, 404 nails it:

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It should be noted, however, that almost no one reads end-user license agreements and many of Discord’s users are children and teenagers. Discord is, first and foremost, a platform for gamers to organize communities and it’s not plausible that a 15 year old looking for a Fortnite meme server ever thought their dumb jokes about Tomato Town would end up in a public database five years later.

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Same as other commenters here: I think this is shameful action under the guise of research and I cannot fathom why any IRB board would approve this (and perhaps it did not in this case, I do not know if Brazil has such a thing).

Back in the day (15ish years ago), I wrote a paper where I scraped the World of Warcraft API. It wasn't hard to do, I started on a realm, looked for arena teams, then went to guilds and got character sheets from there. I took the opinion that if Blizzard doesn't throttle me it's fair game.

Looking back now, I think that to have been pretty naive. I wouldn't say reckless, but definitely naive. In my mind, I had not made a delineation between "I can access this thing manually one at a time" and "I can access all of it automatically". As far as I was concerned, it was just the computer pressing the buttons. It was the same thing.

I think in the fullness of time we have collectively come to realize it is 100% not the same thing. The _availability_ of a thing and the _collection_ of a thing are two different issues with their own thorny problems. The researchers here have made the same mistake I did, but instead of it just being what gear your character was wearing, they took actual communications instead.

I hope this paper gets retracted, all data deleted and a sincere apology offered.


On the contrary, I think that what these researchers did was the only ethical thing to do once they discovered that this was possible.

There's no way that this hasn't been done dozens of times before by intelligence agencies, hacker groups, and whoever else you care to worry about. Most of us here were well aware that public Discord channels have always been public and durable. It's hardly a secret from the technically savvy, it's just that Discord doesn't make it clear enough to regular users.

All this paper changes is that it draws mainstream attention to what was already happening illicitly for as long as Discord has been around. This can only be a good thing: the children and teenagers 404 is so worried about have always been vulnerable to their data getting leaked just like this, it's just that up until now that's been happening in the dark so as not to kill the golden goose.


A while back there was a site that allowed you, for payment, to look up all public chat messages of a Discord user. Clearly this database exists, and if criminals or government agencies want to get their hands on it, they can.


I think conflating a security paper which shows something is possible to using the "exploit" to create a database 100s of GBs large and analyze it is disingenuous at best.


Creating the database got attention in a way that just pointing it out wouldn't have. You point it out and people shrug and say "sure, that's totally unsurprising". You produce more than 100 GB of data and you have people's attention.

These databases exist and always have because this has always been possible. The only difference is that they've typically been held close to the chest by intelligence agencies or hacker groups or whoever else made them for illicit purposes. The only change here is that this database is public and is drawing mainstream attention, which is a strictly good thing.

A lot of the people on here are using the same reasoning that would say that LockPickingLawyer should stop showing how to pick locks because he's making it too easy to learn how garbage most locks are.


I just can't see how companies such as Adafruit and Sparkfun are going to stay in business at this point. A lot of small businesses are going to get legit killed because of this stupid and avoidable trade war.

Perhaps it's by design if you read a chapter on Project 2025 on killing small businesses.





Not surprised that Intuit lobbied hard to kill Direct File as well:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43724267


There's a SCOTUS case in FSC v. Paxton that could very well decide if age verification is enforced in the US as well so sadly this is just the beginning.


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