Your comment is misleading. First, yes police showed up. Not first or last time.
Now, the salient question: were they charged and convicted with subversion, treason, or anything like a felony? Because that's what happen in HK.
If US kids trespassed, vandalized, assaulted the police well the US doesn't put up with either. And they are charged commensurately.
What I can tell you is the police and political class are not threatened by saying British, slavery or any other touch word from our past. You won't get a subversion conviction for that.
Are you familiar with Georgia’s “Cop City”? This sort of thing does and has happened in the United States, and recently.
> Carr obtained indictments against 61 people, alleging violations of the state’s Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) law, over ongoing efforts to halt construction of Cop City. Indicted activists, including a protest observer, face steep penalties of up to 20 years in prison. Three bail fund organizers face additional money laundering charges, and five people also face state domestic terrorism charges. [0]
Is it ok because the prosecutor isn’t seeking life sentences? Do you contend that the activists are being treated fairly as one expects in a democratic society that values rule of law? Is it acceptable because America is 66% less repressive than China and against a narrower range of views (like socialism/communism, see Debs et al)? Have you really even interrogated your positions?
> Is it ok because the prosecutor isn’t seeking life sentences?
Okay and comparable are planets part. The prosecutor is prosecuting. They aren’t a general opening machine gun fire at the protesters. The false equivalence is beyond ridiculous.
To find an American analog to the Tiananmen massacre, you have to go back to when we were fighting Indians. (The Ludlow massacre, in 1914, comes close in kind but not scale [1].)
This not being Like to like != I think America is Okay.
The comparison was between the recent campus arrests and this.
Most of the rest of your comment is just baseless speculation on my views
> were they charged and convicted with subversion, treason, or anything like a felony? Because that's what happen in HK.
Not yet. But it’s obtuse bordering on disingenuous to claim this isn’t on the table, given rhetoric from politicians (current and former). Or is eliminationist rhetoric and political repression okay as long as it isn’t done the way China does it?
Also, are you familiar what how the anti-Cop City protest movement has been treated in Georgia?
Honestly I want to know if you’re speaking from ignorance or malice.
As a American who's followed politics closely since 1980s, I'll bet I can level harder hitting more direct criticism of US politics bleeding into justice under the law than any outsider. Now is not that time. Yet, the prepondernce of immigration remains to the US and oecd. Not china, and many other places the US has substantial differences with. Eventually even the Chinese/hk populous who are in a sense more patient will get sick of things too. Let's not work in absolutes that US criticism means our house is 100% not glass. Instiutionally the US congress, gop, and even scotus have serious problems which are bad for everyone. Basically since newt gingrich was house speaker congress has been sucking it more and more. And that's from a person who until about 10 years ago was a straight line gop voter, the only one in my family.
The CCP declared martial law. It had its troops, not police, indiscriminately fire machine guns into protesters and bystanders alike while other units drove tanks over crowds of kids [1]. Thousands died, thousands more were disappeared, and to this day the government is so scared it will jail anyone who talks about it.
It’s more complicated than that. China lacked riot police in 1989, the PAP didn’t really exist, and the normal police had no training for riot control, or even any guns.
Even the PLA was really provincial. They first brought in local garrisons made up of Beijingers who sympathized with the protesters and the beijingers who rioted after the army came in. They had to bring in remote garrisons to actually shoot people.
China made lots of mistakes and fixed them in many ways:
* the PAP was greatly expanded to provide something between police and the PLA for dealing with protests.
* They stopped garrisoning PLA troops in their hometowns.
* political obedience to the party was given priority over merit in PLA promotions.
Everything else is about right. They don’t want to talk about it. Even the middle school students involved are all 50 now, so it’s disappearing from memory. Also, it stopped a period of non-economic liberalization that was going on in the 80s, and stunted much liberalization afterwards.
> China lacked riot police in 1989, the PAP didn’t really exist, and the normal police had no training for riot control, or even any guns
Beijing had experience with riot control in Tibet [1]. One month prior to Tiananmen, they put down protests in Urumqi [2].
Agree that the police were unprepared. But the decision to violently suppress was made by the CCP’s top leadership. This wasn’t an accident. It was a deliberate massacre of protesting children.
> China made lots of mistakes and fixed them in many ways
Beijing switched from open to covert killing. Were China party to the ICC or ICJ, Xi would be open to charges of genocide and crimes against humanity in Tibet and Xinjiang/East Turkestan [3]. The continued fear and repression in Hong Kong is noteworthy not because it’s unstable, but because it’s still visible.
In modern dictatorships like China they don't use the police on protests that much anymore, you just get kidnapped and disappear a few days after the protest.
I have a HP EliteBook 850 G7, which I use with Kubuntu 20.04.2 LTS. Mainboard audio had some wonkiness and I'm not sure about the fingerprint reader, I never used it. Everything else worked out of the box: webcam, function keys, touchpad, pointing stick, video card, every USB device I have thrown at it.
I play two notes at the same time and try to sing both notes. At first I started with larger intervals and now I can hear and sing major seconds. Minor seconds are still hard.
I also play one note and try to sing an interval above and below. So for example I play G and try to sing a major third above and a major third below. I then play those notes and check how close I was. I repeat a couple of times until I get it right. I do that for different notes and with different intervals.
I then play a triad and try to hear and sing the three notes. At first I could only do it for the top note, but then I was able to hear the root note, and finally after a couple of days I was able to hear and sing the middle note.
Probably not as you have to manually remember to check in on it, there are no notifications for comment replies, and no real reward system for participating.
