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Apathy won the last UK election and we defaulted to a Labour government.

They now seem determined to introduce this digital ID system regardless of how unpopular it is.


False positives are easy to spot if you have to work with them.

False negatives are harder, but in small, close knit industries you sometimes hear of a person you rejected doing well


A CPU can be a bigot?


If one is mentally ill, a CPU can certainly appear to be a bigot.


I'm told they are generally intolerant of non-binary data, after all.


Try the Roc language https://www.roc-lang.org/

It's at a very early stage of development but looks promising


It's now derived from the word 'gone'


It's an X-Drive now


'Gone' up in smoke


Yes, thankfully the Omarchy developers have ignored this and closed the ticket.


Hopefully the Ladybird browser will become a viable choice soon


Did Andreas even mention anything about extensions in Ladybird?

I hardly can imagine browsing the Internet without ublock origin or other extensions like cookie autodelete, privacy badger, ublacklist



I don't use an ad blocker, I just don't look at the ads. Cookie alerts are a pain though. For privacy I just run in Incognito mode in Chrome or private mode in Safari.


If you can't modify it to hell and back it's dead in the water IMO. I had to frankenstein my firefox over several weeks to get it to a usable state.


I think we're many years off it even being viable for most people


They haven’t solved security yet. They are doomed to repeat Firefox/Chrome issues until they start using that Swift.


what's Swift's role in security?


Memory safety. A more serious reply, discussed last year: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41208836

I think the main repo does not have Swift yet.



I hope that not. Or at least, get out of the control of the controversial person behind it.

If I would put all the eggs on a basket, I will prefer Servo.


Does the person's political opinion even matter if the product is good quality ? 20 years ago, nobody used to care.


I remember the times, too, when the person behind the code did not matter. The code did.


I had to google the controversy, found one dedicated blog site page about it, read it thoroughly and think it is insane to call this dude controversial based on what I read on https://hyperborea.org/reviews/software/ladybird-inclusivity...

I'm tired of people who are doing such great work being labeled politically over things like pronoun preferences and somehow this is supposed to make us wish for the projects failure OR the founder's expulsion from his own project.

(oh dear I forgot to imagine the project lead could also be female - damn you English language!)


Knew what the "controversy" was without even clicking.



Yes, it does. Otherwise we wouldn't care that really great shoes are stitched together by indentured children somewhere far away.


I am deeply ashamed to know that the Ladybird browser was being coded by indentured children somewhere far away. Your thoughtful and considerate "Strawman Argument" has fully enlightened me.


Look, you could have said "I don't know what you mean. Explain it to me." And I would have tried and we would have had a civilised discussion why we think what we think.

But you, by resorting to sarcasm, inappropriate quotational use of a term, and distorting my sentences, demonstrate that you understood what I said and what I meant. This, in turn, tells me you think it is okay to deny people liberty, equality and justice, as long as the product is swell. In fact, I think you think that's OK even if there is no product.

I could argue some more, but this is the internet. So I leave it be and remind myself of the well-known saying "all evil needs to triumph is that good men do nothing."


The Brenden Eich Mozilla CEO gay marriage controversy was back in 2008, so 17 years ago. Not quite 20, but arguably we also did "used to care".


Does no one use search engines any longer? Or AI chatbots, the new front end to search engines? Anyway, 2014.


Do you would like to use a software or website made by MechaHitler ?

Me no. And 20 or 30 years some people used to care about that stuff. The same thing could be said about if it's opensource or not.

PD: So yes, I don't have any account now on that site that was called "Twitter".


Controversial by saying he doesn't want politics in software. For me that is a good thing.


Dunno if that's possible. To stick with the example, you can either go for gender neutral language or reject it. There is no "I'll stay out of it and do neither". Your only options are one or the other. So feels like a bit of a cop out.

For the decision itself, I don't see how he should be put in some extreme political camp for that. I think that's probably hard to understand for anyone outside the US / culture wars bubble.


There is the very obvious middle ground of "I won't make an effort for it but accept if others do", but somehow the people scared of "gender police" are always the ones that want strict rules saying that nobody is allowed to use it.

Same way nobody asked him to plaster pride flags over his project, but he went to the step of telling a contributor to please remove a flag from their avatar because showing that avatar in his project would be "political".


I suppose there's no way to not make a _decision_ though, is there? If, to stay with that example, he says "You know what, anyone can make a PR to gender any way they like", that sounds like a blood bath.

Reasonable responses I can think of are:

1. No we will not use gender neutral language here, it's a policy.

2. I think it's a good idea, but I don't have the bandwidth to make ground rules for that right now, so for the time being it will stay as it is.

3. Good idea, I'll set up some policy on that and if you have time to change things, help is appreciated.

> Same way nobody asked him to plaster pride flags over his project, but he went to the step of telling a contributor to please remove a flag from their avatar because showing that avatar in his project would be "political".

If that part is true, that's pretty wild. If he _did_ ask someone else to remove symbols from their personal avatar, that sounds as political as it gets to me... But from some quick research, I couldn't find anything about such a thing happening.


> There is the very obvious middle ground of "I won't make an effort for it but accept if others do"

And how does that work, exactly? If you get a PR to modify all the docs/code to be gender neutral you accept it? And what if in the same PR someone else vehemently opposes to the change? Or what if 2 days after the PR was merged you get a revert PR by someone else?

The thing is that you cannot just ignore "politics", politics are an integral part of our lives. Completely ignoring politics means accepting the status quo, so it's by definition a conservative position.


> the controversial person behind

Did I miss a controversy somewhere?


The "controversy" is probably referring to this: https://lunduke.locals.com/post/5823666/ladybird-web-browser...


Ah, thanks for the link. Looks like a storm in a glass of water, I'm happy it's not something bigger. The description had me afraid akling came out as full MAGA supporter or something crazy like that.



I'd like to caution the reader that Lunduke is a notoriously biased source, having drifted off into right-wing (and particularly anti-trans) activism in recent years.


>That statement reads, in full, "This is a purely technical project. As such, it is not an appropriate arena to advertise your personal politics or religious beliefs. Any changes that appear ideologically motivated will be rejected."

Yeah well tell me how a Web browser in the 2020s is not an ideological device. I'll wait.


Scroll through his X account -- Charlie Kirk and DHH content are some recent entries. He is one of those people who thinks tech should be apolitical without really interrogating what apolitical means or how it affects people who have been marginalized by politics


Hmm, I see what you mean. That's a little disappointing. I don't think the contents of any of his recent comments are extreme enough to consider him "controversial" yet, but the language he uses definitely remind me of supposedly "apolitical" or even "centrist" rhetoric.


>the language he uses definitely remind me of supposedly "apolitical" or even "centrist" rhetoric.

Is that a condemnation, or are you being sarcastic? Isn't that what projects and business should default to?


What's the controversy you are referring to?


What are you talking about? You’re referring to Andreas Kling, right? All I’m finding is he used to work at Nokia, then on WebKit at Apple, then founded SerenityOS, and now works on Ladybird full time. He says he was a drug addict, but is now many years clean, surely that’s not what you’re taking issue with?



Wait, what? What did he do?


In 2021 he once rejected a PR from a new contributer, which was to change the documentation from using the word "he" to "they".


Was it an actual new contributor or a drive by PR by someone who has no interest in contributing anything but their ideology?

Because there is nothing wrong in protecting your project from ideologues who do a drive by PR just to further their cause.

There is nothing wrong in preventing your project from being used as an vehicle for someone else's ideology.


LOL. The horror!


Perhaps not the wisest comment to make in light of recent events


I didn't say violence. Whatever you read into that comment is a projection. I'm not even sure violence is effective, but something more muscular than op-eds is called for. For example, labor organizing and various forms of self-defense organizations, of which there are many kinds, not only militias. For example, anti-ICE organizing which protects vulnerable people from the gestapo.


For a lot of people it's "anyone who I disagree with".


If academic performance is no longer the main criteria for admission then it's no surprise that Oxford's ranking has gone down.


It is still the main criterion.


If you'd bothered to research then you can see the academic performance is the main criteria for entrance. They spend the rest of the time sifting the top 10% academically to boil it down even more.

https://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/undergraduate/courses/admiss...


Elaborate?


The ranking is based on what exactly?


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