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Takes one to know one? Could you elaborate

Meta is $201B total revenue business, virtually all advertising.

Instagram is estimated to generate half of ad revenue.

WhatsApp and Messenger contribute relatively little to ad revenue.

So facebook.com alone must be generating around $100B revenue annually.

It's impossible that something generating this revenue is serving AI generated NSFW teens pics with botnets commenting on those pictures only.

Real humans must be engaging with real ads at massive scale to make this money.

Failure mode for people reporting "I didn't use fb for a while, then I come back and see adult-like dominated content" sounds like plausible explanation of ad revenue optimized algo with weak, singular signal.

I may be wrong, it may be just cold start problem where algo has zero engagement signal and yields thirst traps for { gender: male, age: ~30s, engagement_history: [] } state.

But it's hard for me to believe that - frankly it doesn't sound like the best output if you want to capture somebody who has real friends and family in their network, did the algo really learned that people with this input state click likes on pics like that?

Why not just serve engagement from friends network or even "wish happy birthday to X tomorrow" instead – sounds like better way to engage to me.

What's your explanation?


I wish we went back to communication protocols, and allowed people to bring their clients. mIRC was my favourite era of async communication, now it's all just a giant spaghetti of apps.

"You get what you inspect, not what you expect."

Great theory, in practice I just expect things to relocate and shuffle around as it usually goes.

I think you’re conflating things. You probably are not jealous but rather frustrated and coming from a point of a false dichotomy trying to equal your position to his. If you were to stop and actually compare your lives you would likely find very different humans. It’s easy to fall into this trap sometimes, don’t let it get into your head. Be grateful for being you and enjoy what life has to offer you instead.

I support that. If you tried doing the inverse, for example, migrate to an Islamic country and bring over Christianity there, you would not be welcomed at all. I’m an expat and one thing I’ve learned is to integrate myself with the culture of the country that adopted me, I believe this shows respect and that I am aligned with its values and principles.

The majority of Swiss immigrants come from Italy, Germany, Portugal, France Kosovo, and Spain.

> Kosovo

Technically a muslim majority country but likely not what OP ment.


This is the trap that the western world has set up for itself. You cannot destroy countries on the grounds that your society is better and that it's worth the destruction to make them be like yourself, and then at the same time say forget about it when it's time to actually be better and more tolerant.

Ignoring the "two wrongs make a right" fallacy (AKA "hypocrisy is the worst sin"), it doesn't even seem to follow. Wouldn't imposing your culture on less developed nations and also rejecting those cultures from your own nation be consistent behavior?

> migrate to an Islamic country and bring over Christianity there, you would not be welcomed at all

That sounds a lot like what us Europeans did in North Africa not that long ago. We were indeed not welcomed.


Is the purpose of the comparison to show that it can indeed be a bad thing (i.e. you're simply agreeing with the parent), or implying that Europeans should be subject to the same treatment as punishment?

> migrate to an Islamic country and bring over Christianity there, you would not be welcomed at all

Well, Europeans ever try their hand with the Jewish one? Seem to have some previous experience there.


Do you truly believe Switzerland is at risk of an Islamic invasion? How do people on a platform such as HN fall for such obviously falsifiable statements? The initiative is obviously part of the global right-wing populist trend. Countries in the EU are dependent on immigration for maintaining their economies and public infrastructure as the population ages. I'm not Swiss, but the current government in Sweden has been going through with similar anti-criminal/anti-bad-immigrant (racist) politics and rethoric for four years now. As a result, there are now elderly care centers in parts of the country where 25% of all personnel have been expelled, children and even babies are taken back to their "home countries" without their parents and major domestic industry organisations are turning on the politicians they have fostered as the detrimental economic policies are killing low-wage industries in Sweden.

I don't know if you've lived in an Islamic country but I have. In fact I was born there and spent more than half my life under Islamic law. More to it, I am the same brown minority that you seek to defend by posting this.

Westerners are so naive, Islam's objective is to grow and convert as many people as possible. To this end, they have been building mosques all over the world, increasing their population and weaponizing immigration. There is a reason Muslim countries don't allow Christians, Jews and other faiths to flourish in their homes.

Now, is this applicable to all Muslims? Of course not. But don't be naive and think that no one has an agenda. Case in point, my family has Muslims (Shia) and there are some of them I wouldn't want in the West.

No one is advocating for an immigration ban here, or is attempting to bar Muslims. Suggesting caps and enforcing sane limits is a good thing. Nations need to vet their applicants thoroughly before letting them in.

As a final note, I think that immigration is a band-aid for the population collapse in the West. The real issue is the underlying culture change. Perhaps a better avenue is to focus inward and promoting family values instead of outwards to resolve the issue?


    Perhaps a better avenue is to focus inward and promoting family values instead of outwards to resolve the issue?
Inwards is the right answer, but it's not about lack of family values. It's the lack of stability and belief that people can give a good life to their offspring. We need to retreat from this capitalistic consume everything social structure and kids will naturally flow.

The problem with that is that the Pandora's box has been opened. We are trading with globalized world.

Europeans first stole the resources that fed the industrial revolution and enriched themselves at the loss of everybody else. Then with the US forced everyone to be part of "line always goes up" club, with extreme violence at the times.

You cannot just "exit" the club now. All rare metals, fruits, various produce, chemicals, clothing etc are sourced with the global trade network. Since everybody has to be in the "line goes up or else" club, (we) Europeans have to continue the saga to not lose the entire civilization we have now. Nobody except very big nations with rich resources can afford pulling the plug and be self sufficient.

If you are not joining the ponzi scheme, you cannot buy shit. Without buying rare elements you cannot make advanced silicon, computers, solar cells, batteries. All engineering, medicine, food needs the ruthless capitalism. You cannot quit without turning the world upside down again. And who are you going to force through the inevitable meat grinder?


> To this end, they have been building mosques all over the world, increasing their population and weaponizing immigration ... Now, is this applicable to all Muslims? Of course not. But don't be naive and think that no one has an agenda.

As opposed to the Catholic Church never ever building Basilicas and Cathedrals? Places of worship are social and political centers given how Abrahamic religions work.

> There is a reason Muslim countries don't allow Christians, Jews and other faiths to flourish in their homes.

Met a Copt the other day: Seemed content and had no complains. Spoke to a Rūm a while ago, and despite the recent turn of events, they seemed optimistic about the Levant. The only Assryian I know complained about the US-led war on Iraq uprooting their lives more than any previous regime. That isn't to say there aren't issues, but which society is without them? Especially when exaggerators & hypocrites are in no short supply, regardless of their socio-religious allegiance.


"I don't know if you've lived in an Islamic country but I have. In fact I was born there and spent more than half my life under Islamic law" are you aware that not all islamic countries are the same, just as all christian countries are not the same. Perhaps you've let your view of your bubble in your home country colour your view of all others. I've been to muslim countries, most people don't care all that much about the west - certainly not enough to make a conspiracy to destroy it with immigration or whatever.

"Islam's objective is to grow and convert as many people as possible" is it? says who? Why do you think there is one unified islam with one goal? As far as I'm aware, islam is not a prosetylising religion, who's out to convert who?

"building mosques all over the world" yes when a bunch of religious people are in a place, they build a place of worship. From your comment history, you're apparently iranian - what exactly is sinister about building mosques?

"increasing population" yes people like to do that, it's a rather enjoyable process, not exactly mindblowing thing to accuse people of.

"weaponizing immigration" how? who is doing that? are these governments deliberately sending people over? Who are they sending? Why has no leak of this conspirary ever happened? Are multiple governments independantly doing this?

"There is a reason Muslim countries don't allow Christians, Jews and other faiths to flourish in their homes." flourish in what sense? many muslim countries have other faiths there. These are the people of the book afterall. Some countries have sharia law that applies only to muslims - harsher laws only for the majority religion.

"No one is advocating for an immigration ban here, or is attempting to bar Muslims" Yes people are, don't be naive, this is absolutely about muslims.

"promoting family values" Or maybe the real reason people aren't having kids are climate anxiety and economic factors. It's not that people just suddenly hate families now. What do you even mean by "family values", send woman back to the kitchen and that'll make people have kids? I doubt that's what you mean so what is your solution?


>>"Islam's objective is to grow and convert as many people as possible" is it? says who?

Do you not learn anything about Islam in schools where you live? I'm sure you must have spent at least few hours at History class covering Islam expansion starting with Mohamed.

>> What do you even mean by "family values", send woman back to the kitchen and that'll make people have kids? I doubt that's what you mean so what is your solution?

You want more people from cultures who think exactly like that. You believe Muslim women should be baby factories for the West.


"Do you not learn anything about Islam in schools where you live? I'm sure you must have spent at least few hours at History class covering Islam expansion starting with Mohamed." I am ex-muslim, I am aware of islamic history. And what of it? Do christians want to crusade for the levant still? Why are you pointing to literal ancient history?

"You want more people from cultures who think exactly like that" Many don't think like this. I do not want or not want them.

"You believe Muslim women should be baby factories for the West." No I don't, why would you think otherwise?

On second though, you simply extracted what things you could best insult me with from my reply and put words in my mouth, I will no longer be engaging in this. Goodbye.


I think they have a right to decide how they want their values and culture to be defined, and they can choose to start enforcing those at any given moment in however way they deem appropriate and necessary. Yes, it’s unfortunate to need immigration for your economy, but not at the sake of your values, customs, traditions, and principles.

Curious: Do you live in Switzerland in 2025 / 2026?

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> As those populations are known...

What a horrible calumny to casually post on a ostensibly politically-neutral website! Absolutely shameful.


This website is notorious for these sorts of unexamined assumptions.

Assumption are already well examined. You just don't like the conclusions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden#Birthplace_of_p...


I modestly propose a much better solution. 99% of perpetrators of sexual assault are men. Let's just ban all males regardless of race. Given the statistics, why would you want any men in your country?

Banning a gender is much less practical than banning people from another country (I'm not explicitly defending the parent - analogies are just mostly bad and distracting).

A huge majority of foreign residents in Switzerland come from Christian countries, so I don’t know what your point is.

Why is this down voted?

I live in Switzerland(not from here, migrated) and this vote is not specifically against muslims.


...because you are on HN.... ;-)

> bring over Christianity there

Yes, this covers about a thousand years of European history.

It's funny to see people pretending not to know the history of spreading Christianity and subsequently colonialism.


>pretending not to know the history

What are you referring to in the parent comment? It sounds like you're agreeing with them, but this antagonistic part is mysterious.


also, seems like they have another project https://feel.thatsh.it/ and I'd love to find that song as well if you can help haha

That song is also pretty nice. I wonder if that was an earlier project?

what's the symbols for that `ꪖꪶꪶ ꪮꪀ ꪗꪖꪶꪶ ` font? where can I find these


thank you!

How does it compare to https://hapi.run/ ?

I have been pretty satisfied with it, and it’s free with unlimited sessions, so I need a good reason to switch


I haven't tried out https://hapi.run/, but I've tried similar things and in my experience Omnara is much more reliable than the other solutions, as well as I enjoy the UX of Omnara much more. Give it a try, it's one command to set up and the free tier gives you everything that the paid tier does, so you can decide if you like it before paying!

when you say reliable what do you mean? hapi never once failed for me, it’s self hosted + tailscale so pretty robust

reliability is not big selling point given the high cost on unlimited sessions which I use quite a bunch


I mean messages drop or stall, or syncing doesn't work, or I can't get through setup at all. But I'm sure all these solutions have improved greatly since I've tried them, I tried these things much earlier on. If hapi works perfectly for you, then maybe Omnara wouldn't be much of a value add. Are there any pain points you face with hapi?

Yeah none of these issues happen to me, so if Omnara has no other value add then I don't see a reason to pay for it.

I was curious if it had something Hapi didn't have, but sounds like it doesn't.

Thanks for your help!


How is it not confirmed? GitHub cannot use their own product? Them using GitHub pages changes something? I don’t get it

I see a lot of people confused, and it is confusing. Here's my best take at clarifying the issue for you:

It's as if Google sent you an official email from an @gmail address.

Like "gmail-invoices@gmail.com"

Surely it would look suspicious, and if it turns out it is official, it doesn't somehow mean there's no issue, if anything it's worse because it untrains users' security protocols.

Personally I'd ignore anything that comes out of one of these domains, even if it turns out an actual employee pushed it, if you can't publish something on the main domain, you don't have enough authority to speak for the company, may be skunkworking to avoid an internal protocl, I don't know, I don't care, it's not official, don't need to read it.


I don't think this is the same thing though, in their documentation the subdomain has to be for the owner or organization, so if it's `github.github.io` then it belongs to the `github` organization [1]

Though I guess I do get your point, meaning that this leads to people trusting the domain name if they are uneducated about how GitHub Pages works.

[1] https://docs.github.com/en/pages/getting-started-with-github...


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