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So when MSNBC pioneered the idea of an illegitimate election, and spent 4 years haranguing and indulging in massive conspiracy theories about it, that's not hazardous?

And it's not hazardous when the Washington Post removes an unflattering story about Kamala laughing about prisoners begging for water?


> Unless something is done about this (and they make some suggestions on what to do), the future does not look great.

Doomsday predictions haven't panned out so far.


interesting, entertaining the stuff around USO lore though, wouldn't the energy required to navigate around the bottom of the ocean be immense though (more than whatever you calculated)?


> as the innocent victim of a liberal conspiracy

It's fair to say that tech is majority liberal and it'd be simply dumb to contradict liberal orthodoxy to say unconscious bias doesn't exist.

So it's certainly fair to say that tech has an unconscious liberal bias and their actions are going to be harmful towards conservatives.


I was referring to the comments by Parler's CEO that Amazon, Apple, Google and others banning them or ending service within a narrow window was the result of collusion.

I think it's a combination of avoiding liability and Parler's failing to comply with moderation policies.


People say this but the obvious point is that flu numbers are much lower if not vanishingly small, suggesting people are in fact largely complying with mitigation efforts.

So the only argument I see otherwise is that there's some radical difference in the R number between the viruses such that masks only lower substantially enough for flu and not SARS-CoV-2. But that's a much more specific argument that I don't see being argued much less substantiated and proven.


> flu numbers are much lower if not vanishingly small, suggesting people are in fact largely complying with mitigation efforts

The flu viruses are a different class of virus (rhinovirus) from SARS-CoV-2 (coronavirus) and could be expected to be affected differently by mitigation efforts. I don't know that the much lower flu numbers tell us that people are wearing masks properly; they could be due simply to social distancing and people staying home. Also, AFAIK there is not significant evidence of transmission of flu by asymptomatic people, whereas there is for COVID-19, so it is easier for people to avoid transmitting flu by self-isolating if they have symptoms.


I had socialist/communist/anarchist friends throughout college talk about the need to use guillotines.


> That is, "speech is violent speech IFF it disturbs the peace."

Disturbing peace? Isn’t that very much under the scope of the BLM associated rioting?

Like we’re talking many buildings public and otherwise burned to the ground. Billions of dollars of damage.


> Give the students as many perspectives and hope that they will do something sensible as they process the information

I don’t know if you’ve gone to college recently but that was not my impression. It’s a woke monoculture. Discourse is gone.


Discourse is narrower than you'd like; that doesn't mean it's "gone". When someone makes extraordinary claims like "Discourse is gone," that is a red flag that they are not viewing the situation objectively.


So perhaps a better claim would be that the new discourse is unduly confined and the older modes of discourse are gone.


The discourse has always been unduly confined. We never discussed whether it was a good thing to slaughter all the Native Americans, and we're not discussing whether all our stupid wars nowadays are good, either. War is off-topic in the USA "discourse". I'm sure other important things about which I'm less concerned are also "unduly" left out.


That's a better starting point for a productive discussion, but still hyperbolic.

Moreover, do you notice that my comment is being grayed out as people who disagree are downvoting it? A lot of people who claim to value discussion really don't; not on Hacker News, and not elsewhere.


You're being downvoted because discourse should never be narrowed, period.

Ideas should be thrown into the public square, in the full light of day, and judged on their merits.


Hopefully you realize the hypocrisy of graying out my comment in the name of promoting discourse, but I doubt it.

Ideas should absolutely be judged on their merits; here we agree. Too bad that's not how humans work. Instead, they tend to choose whichever truth they like best based on how it makes them feel; politicians know this, which is why they don't bother crafting logically sound arguments backed with evidence. They play on peoples' emotions.

Moreover, the university is not a public square. You attend as a student, which means you are there to learn, not to share your thoughts like it's a real-life HN thread. Don't want to learn the material? That's completely fine. The solution is to not sign up for the class, not to whine about how "discourse is gone" just because the teacher doesn't want to waste time on every edgy kid's opinions. People didn't pay massive sums of money to hear you talk. They paid to learn from experts.


Don't think of your comment as being grayed out, think of your discourse as being narrowed.


It turns out we are both fine with narrowing discourse, just as I suspected.


Precisely demonstrating my point: a hyper-sensitivity and censorious attitude against any advocacy for unmitigated debate.


You are calling my disagreement a "censorious attitude." Sorry, but I am allowed to disagree with you.


Seems like the whole “you have to bake my cake” argument went out the window. Do I have to feed the enemy?


Sexuality is a protected class like religion, gender, ethnicity, and so on.

Politics isn't.

This is a very simple concept, yet I find myself having to explain it to a lot of people.


No food for "the enemy". No air travel. No payment processing for their businesses or political causes they support. You can earn your social credit points back by kowtowing to Xi the Great - wait wrong country.


All these platforms are literally dopamine gerbil wheels enslaving humanity to screens.

Stop pretending these are the progressive vanguards of society.


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