I've seen soooo many rendering errors in Safari. And bugged-out keyboard + inputs (input touch location offset from its visible location on the page after the keyboard opens—a real problem if you're trying to paste). Never ever seen it 1/10 this buggy after any prior release, and I've been on iOS since... 5, I think? And did some development work on the platform as early as version 3 or 4.
That's in addition to so many dropped frames in the animations that I disabled as many as I could because it was driving me crazy, and to a bunch of word-based buttons becoming confusing icons. I think this has topped 7 for my least-favorite iOS release, and the gap widens by the day. It's terrible.
[EDIT] What it most reminds me of (I was on early Android and have done even more development work on Android over the years than I have for iOS) is Android. The jank, the pile of little confusing UI choices that all add up into an overall off-putting experience. The uncertainty what kind of bad thing might happen when you touch anything. Feels like an above-average 3rd party Android skin, like from Samsung or someone (so, pretty bad). The stuttering animations. No other iOS release has ever felt like Android to me.
Normally I tend to wait before each major release, but I got lured by unknown caller screening. Then I noticed there's no unknown caller screening for me (just a useless setting to move unknown callers to a different list). They also removed blocking numbers directly from the recents list and the new phone layout is a complete mess.
For me it's been going downhill since the update that changed the settings app to show apps (even system ones) on a different page. Iwas seriosuly inpressed with the settings app when I first switched to Apple from Android, and now it's terrible.
Meanwhile you still can't freely set the search wngkne for Safari, contacts always forgets my custom labels, camera doesn't allow free control over the flashlight,...
I was recently gifted an Apple Watch and it forced an update on me, so I jumped straight to the x.1 patch, and I'd still call this beta-quality, even setting aside my strong disagreements with the design and UX direction.
I've seen other releases much complained-about online then found them to not bother me much, or even at all, when I upgraded, but this one's an exception. It really is very bad.
On Android, I used to be able to easily send text messages and now my contact from the dialer. Swipe to call, swipe the other way to text, long press to get the selector that shows the contact info button. Extremely useful: I only need one button for both calls and texts on my homescreen. I have a new number for my dentist after they moved, long tap them from recent calls and add the new number.
Now? All gone.
- You can make a call from the text app, but only after you open the conversation, and it's a tiny button in the corner next to the menu. You haven't texted them? Sorry.
- You can send a text from the dialer: switch to recent calls view, tap a recent call (the name, not the icon) and you can text that person. You haven't called them recently? Sorry.
- Edit a contact from the dialer? Tap a recent call (the icon, not the name) to see their info, then click edit contact. Haven't called them recently? Sorry.
- Want to call someone from your starred/favorite contacts? Tap the favorites section to expand it, you get 5 contacts on screen at a time with tiny hard-to-read names
- Want to call a frequent contact that doesn't appear in the recent list because of a bunch of incoming calls? Tap the search button, if you're lucky you'll get a nice big target to tap, but more likely they won't show up (this is suggested contacts, not recent or favorite contacts) or they'll be underneath the keyboard.
- the view contacts button opens your contacts manager that also doesn't have a view for favorite contacts.
- The contacts app can initiate calls and text messages, but the only sort method it has is alphabetical, and it shows every contact you have, including those without phone numbers (you can filter them by tags/groups/account by opening the menu, but not by frequency or information). You also have to open the contact to see the buttons (which include video call; I have no idea what this does, as I have no video calling apps installed)
- start a new conversation in messages, there's a prominently placed Gemini button at the top, despite Gemini being disabled in settings.
I would switch to the Samsung dialer and messenger app, but my phone is now a Motorola. Oops.
Favorite contacts screen was removed from the dialer a while back for some unknown reason, but the useless voicemail screen remains (this screen doesn't work with either T-Mobile or with Google Voice)
Bonus: I sent pictures from Google voice weekly for the past few years, recently they never get received. (These are jpg screenshots of my work schedule, not giant photos; Google voice is convenient for viewing them myself on my desktop, phone, tablet. And Google voice still can't deal with webp or heic despite such images showing up in the image picker; in these cases the message can't even be sent)
Typing? I'm lucky. I have a nice big tablet, I only use my phone calls for text messages and calls, and for texting, swipe input has far less issues than tapping on the keyboard. Almost everything else goes through my 10" tablet. But yes, autocorrect on Android was also better when it was pure word lists without ML; sure, it was annoying to have to build a user dictionary, but you still have to do that anyways or else rarely used words will eventually get forgotten and names of contacts will eventually never be suggested if your swipe is the least bit off.
I bought an iPhone 4S way back when because I wanted a dead-simple UI for my mom.
Now she's on an iPhone SE (3rd gen), and the UI is a complete shitshow.
F you Apple.
(She also does not want a newer (aka larger) iPhone because they will not fit in her woman's jeans which notoriously have small pockets. Another "F you" from Apple to the consumers.)
If consumers cared about small phones Apple would still make the mini series. It's hardly Apple's fault the biggest phones are the most popular. In fact, they were late to the larger phone sizes, as the iPhone 6 shipped years after Android started going big.
Some consumers clearly do care, but mega-corporations aren't content with making a profit - they will kill profitable products because they're not profitable enough.
(Apparently the 12 and 13 mini had about 5% of iPhone market share in the year they were released [0]. Does that mean they were profitable for Apple? I don't know, but given how many phones Apple sells, I believe that even 5% iPhone market share would be profitable)
Consumers shouldn't need to do extended due diligence on the history of whether a company told the truth or not about what it's selling you over the last 15 years before making a purchase decision.
Information, power, and insight asymmetry between an individual and a company. That’s why there are consumer protection laws in many countries; to even the scales, not to favor individuals. With no hand on the scales, asymmetry is the default.
I 100% agree companies shouldn't be outright allowed to scam people
but if you're not at least reading the wikipedia page on a car and its manufacturer company before buying it looking for common "issues", that's kinda your fault
Maybe they shouldn't need to, but they do. Due to regulatory capture and deregulation (at least in the US), the law provides very little protection against scumbag companies.
But wouldn’t you feel like an idiot if you didn’t do due diligence and were conned? I don’t particularly like saying, “well the law was supposed to protect me…” in a case where my idiotic decision was completely preventable.
You say this as though it's trivial to just see that Tesla is a scam. There's multiple decades of fawning articles and reviews of Tesla to the point where the average person can't be blamed for assuming they're a reputable company.
But of course, blaming the victim is much easier because it lets the person doing the blaming pretend they're morally and intellectually superior in some way.
> You say this as though it's trivial to just see that Tesla is a scam.
I asked if a person would feel dumb that they had been conned.
Isn't the answer going to be yes even if that con is very sophisticated?
Paying a lot of money for self-driving when self-driving literally doesn't exist isn't that sophisticated of a con! They are telling you it doesn't exist! I know it doesn't exist and am paying for the hope that it will one day exist.
I mean sure make a law against this or whatever. But at the end of the day it's my money and no law can stop me from making a regrettable decision.
> But of course, blaming the victim is much easier because it lets the person doing the blaming pretend they're morally and intellectually superior in some way.
> You say this as though it's trivial to just see that Tesla is a scam.
You don't need any particularly deep due diligence to see that, in fact, not living under a rock is more than enough.
> There's multiple decades of fawning articles and reviews of Tesla to the point where the average person can't be blamed for assuming they're a reputable company.
There's multiple decades of articles highlighting, in various levels of detail, how exactly bad Tesla is and Teslas are. Checking for bad reviews and deciding how applicable they are to you in particular is part of rudimentary check
Sorry, but knowingly and deliberately buying a Tesla vehicle is entirely on the customer and they get in some sense even more than what they had ordered. Similarly, if you buy a ${brand-you-don't-like} you have no right to complain about ${common-problem}, because that's the state vehicles leave the factory.
> Sorry, but knowingly and deliberately buying a Tesla vehicle is entirely on the customer and they get in some sense even more than what they had ordered.
Clearly, the customers were not knowingly and deliberately buying bad cars because the evidence available to the average person told them the exact opposite thing.
EDIT: Strikethrough below, it was a result of a bad search but the principle above still stands.
Hell, even on Hacker News, the bad news only seems to have started appearing 3 years ago, and I know for a fact your average consumer isn't browsing tech sites to form their opinion for their next car purchase.
> Major problems reported with Tesla vehicles include vehicle reliability issues like suspension failures ("whompy wheels") and sudden power loss, alongside quality control concerns such as paint defects and poor build quality. Additionally, there are safety concerns surrounding the Autopilot and Full Self-Driving systems, software glitches, and issues with customer service. Other problems include battery degradation over time, resulting in reduced range, and recurring HVAC system failures.
This is what google spews out when I type in "tesla major problems". The first result is Wiki entry "Criticism of Tesla, Inc.", where first section is literally "Fraud allegations".
All I had to do was look if there's negative feedback and it's not something mild what you would get replacing Telsa with e.g. Peugeot, but some really troublesome issues. If you don't agree that this is basic, rudimentary overview and instead argue that this is some deep research, well I don't believe we can agree on anything much at all. I invest more effort in picking a place to eat at than some people in buying their car.
Sorry, but there's no such thing as "bought it before Elon went crazy".
Financial fraud. This isn't something the average person is going to dig up on their own because they aren't going to start reading the FT and WSJ before they buy a car.
> This is what google spews out when I type in "tesla major problems".
Be honest: have you ever done this in literally any other context? In fact, don't bother because I know you haven't. Because nobody does this.
How do I know nobody does this? Because, as I evidenced above, Tesla's public reputation only started to decline in 2024/2025 when Musk started throwing Sieg Heils, sorry, "putting his heart out to the crowd" after Trump's inauguration.
> it's not something mild what you would get replacing Telsa with e.g. Peugeot, but some really troublesome issues
I did the same thing you did. Why is this important? Just to point out that, if you do your "due diligence," you can find major issues with any car make. Again, going back to the average consumer, you can't really tell the difference between reports of one car brand being shit vs any other.
Again, this is not to defend Tesla: this is to point out that it's really fucking difficult for an average consumer to know whether a trusted car brand is actually just taking them for a ride.
This kind of legal loophole might be common in the USA but in the EU is much harder to weasel out of obligations from the spirit of the law with legalese.
They can wrap as in many disclaimers as they want, if the law is clear that consumers had a presumption of delivery due to marketing promises which were unfulfilled they are on the hook for it.
It's why many American companies constantly complain about EU regulations, they empower consumers which is "bad for business™" since fraud becomes much harder to wrap in loopholes.
Consumer protections prevent such contracts. That is why companies acustomed to "defraud as much as you want, just keep it legally plausibe" hate them so much.
Who cares if your social media toy has bugs in production ? These are several tons metal things going fast amongst humans, with high-energy batteries that like to explode. This can't have bugs in production.
reply