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> Does elevenlabs have a real-time conversational voice model?

Yes.

> It seems like like their focus is largely on text to speech and speech to text.

They have two main broad offerings (“Platforms”); you seem to be looking at what they call the “Creative Platform”. The real-time conversational piece is the centerpiece of the “Agents Platform”.


It specifically says in the architecture docs for the agents platform that it's STT (ASR) -> LLM -> TTS

https://elevenlabs.io/docs/agents-platform/overview#architec...


Fascism is a reaction against capitalism-the-system in much the same way (but a different direction) than communism (it is "capitalist" in that, like most systems, including pre-capitalist ones, and including most claiming to be "Communist", it has a narrow self-perpetuating class controlling society by means including control of the means of production, but it does not feature the particular structure and features that defines capitalism as a system rather than a feature of other systems; fascist corporatism looks a lot, in practice, like the state capitalism that vanguardist "Communist" regimes tend to get stuck in.)

> but it does not feature the particular structure and features that defines capitalism as a system rather than a feature of other systems;

What do you mean? The defining feature of capitalism is private/corporate ownership of the means of production which is a core part of fascism as well.


No, the defining feature of capitalism-as-a-system (as opposed to capitalism-as-a-feature of systems including those which predate capitalism-as-system) is the set and preeminence of property rights, which are very different under fascism, because fascist corporatism subordinates all interests (not least of all property interest) to central authority.

Fascist corporatism is as radically opposed to capitalism as Leninist “democratic centralism” is (and, arguably, despite the opposing rhetorical stance, in very much the same substantive direction in practice.)


> This is what the AI boom is really about, removing more power from labor. Its why all the AI hype largely markets itself in this way "how AI can replace or minimize X role" as opposed to "This is how you can use AI to empower your workforce in the majority of discourse I've seen around it.

Arguably, AI is largely marketed that way because that's what corporate buyers care about, the same way every productivity improving invention has been marketed to corporate buyers even if a major actual effect is increasing the value of each labor hour and driving wages up. (Which is largely isomorphic to reducing the number X role needed in the production of Y units of a good or service.)

Its also sold as a labor productivity increase to independent creators. And the two things are, after all, different sides of the same coin.


> Arguably, AI is largely marketed that way because that's what corporate buyers care about

Why "arguably", that is exactly what he wrote


No, he wrote that it was marketed that way because that is what the “AI boom is really about”, in opposition to something else, which I also discuss in the post you excerpted this from. Not sure if you didn’t read the whole post and just kneejerk reacted to the first part of the first sentence out of context, or if you just didn’t understand how it sharply differs from the claims in the post it responds to.

What is it really about, in contrast to what I assert? I'm looking at how its being implemented, talked about, thought about, introduced.

I'm happy to re-evaluate my stance in the light of better evidence, but the AI adoption has corresponded to alot of CEOs announcing layoffs with a simultaneous doubling down on AI tools to replace those now displaced workers or those LinkedIn stories from people saying how they will never have to hire X or Y because AI will do it / does it.


> OK, this means that MAGA is grooming people to be racist?

Irrespective of the upthread discussion, MAGA is absolutely both being racist and quite actively grooming people, particularly children, to be racist. That's fairly overt.


I don't think deprecation should come with hostile signalling like this, but if it did, it should be consistent, and escalating with subsequent releases, performance regressions on the deprecated path, starting at least one release after the deprecation warning, not wrong results.

And it should be explicitly mentioned in the deprecation warnings.

(You don't want to break systems, but you want something people who care about the system will investigate, and will quickly find and understand the source of and understand what to do.)


The “lewd texting with LLM” will be a tool for writing actual pornography, and in workflows for image and video pornography, even if the image and video generation doesn’t happen on OpenAI’s platform (in fact, people are using ChatGPT and other major AI engines as tools in that already, but loosening the filters were facilitate that even more on OpenAI’s platform.)

OpenAI knows that, and the people interested in that capability know that, even if many of the other people seeing the marketing about it don't.


> The “lewd texting with LLM” will be a tool for writing actual pornography

Sure, but does that mean "OpenAI has indicated they're getting into porn"? A bit like saying W3C is getting into porn because the web is used for porn, together with other things. Even when I try to think of parent's comment in the most charitable way, I don't think that's what they meant.

Personally I prefer if my tools stay as tools, and let me do professional work with them regardless of what that profession is.


> Sure, but does that mean "OpenAI has indicated they're getting into porn"?

Yes, it literally means they have indicated to the customer base that is looking into making porn.

It may not mean they have indicated it to some other audiences.

> A bit like saying W3C is getting into porn because the web is used for porn, together with other things.

No, its a bit like saying the W3C is getting into porn if the W3C had announced changes in the platform whose main market appeal was to people making porn, but announced it in a way that glossed over and minimized that.

If, on the other hand, the web had a steady state of being used for porn, you wouldn't say the W3C is getting into anything, you’d just say “the internet is for porn” (which has, of course, rather famously been said, and even sung.)


The initial claim was "OpenAI has indicated they're getting into porn", letting writers write the scripts, story-lines or dialogue for pornography does not mean OpenAI suddenly "does porn". In that case Google and Microsoft with their Docs and Office are also "getting into porn", which would be a ridiculous claim.

> The initial claim was "OpenAI has indicated they're getting into porn", letting writers write the scripts, story-lines or dialogue for pornography does not mean OpenAI suddenly "does porn". In that case Google and Microsoft with their Docs and Office are also "getting into porn", which would be a ridiculous claim.

Actively announcing a change of policy whose marketable function is to facilitate porn production is only the case for the OpenAI action and you have presented nothing analogous for the entities you are trying to hold up as comparable.


> Actively announcing a change of policy whose marketable function is to facilitate porn production

Where exactly did this happen though? And how am I supposed to prove a negative? It's up to you to present evidence that this is something OpenAI actively promote as a use case for their tools, something I personally haven't seen, but I'm open to changing what I think is happening if proof can be presented that this is the case.


> Don't believe for a second that Sora will allow you to make racist content with Disney characters.

Don’t believe for a minute that whatever filters it uses will be sensitive enough to the way racist content is constructed to stop people from doing just that.


"Don't let the user do racist shit" is literally AGI Hard territory of problem solving.

It's right up there with "Let kids communicate anonymously but not to perverts" and "Is this porn or educational?"


Almost every one of them was elected again, often by wider margins (the only exception losing to another one of them) after deatroying any illusion innthat direction you might argue was produced by their campaign positions, so I don't think you can absolved the American electorate here, even if one agrees that their campaign before taking office met your description.

The parent's claim is effortlessly debunked.

Bush sure wasn't anti-interventionist for the second term after entering the Iraq War 2.0. Even Obama campaigned to persist the "necessary" Afghanistan war.


> It used to be normal to do things like keeping cabinet members appointed by their opponents

This particular thing was not all that common between Presidents who succeed normally by election. I think the most recent was Robert Gates serving as SecDef across the Bush II/Obama transition, before that there were five kept across the Reagan/Bush I transition, and no more in the post-WWII period.

(It’s true that the pettiness level in this Administration is unprecedented, but this is not a valid example.)


True, I didn’t mean it was routine but it was somewhat normal. I just wanted to show the incredible range of professional behaviour that has disappeared.

> We are heading to a centralised command economy. Marxists want more of that

Marxists want the working class whose labor is applied to capital in production to direct capital, and thereby production, rather than capital being privately owned and its owners directing labor, and thereby production. While the democratic centralism favored in Leninist theory and its derivatives is (at least in the theory in which it is conceived) a means of achieving that, current Western Marxists are, IME, all over the map with regard to centralism. They are more united about who should wield power over the economy than about the structure of how that power should be wielded.


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