Producing a computer program does not require thinking, like many other human endeavors. And looking at the quality of software out there there are indeed quite a few human programmers who do not think about what they do.
I started to code with them when Cursor came out. I've built multiple projects with Claude and thought that this is the freaking future.
Until all joy disappeared and I began to hate the whole process. I felt like I didn't do anything meaningful anymore, just telling a stupid machine what I want and let it produce very ugly output.
So a few months, I just stopped. I went back to VIM even....
I am pretty idealistic coder, who always thought of it as an art in itself. And using LLMs robbed me of the artistic aspect of actually creating something. The process of creating is what I love and like and what gives me inspiration and energy to actually do it. When a machine robs me of that, why would I continue to do it? Money then being the only answer... A dreadful existence.
I am not a Marxist, probably bceause I don't really understand him, but I think LLM is "detachment of work" applied to coders IMHO. Someone should really do a phenomenological study on the "Dasein" of a coder with LLM.
Funnily, I don't see any difference in productivity at all. I have my own company and I still manage to get everything done on deadline.
I'll need to read more about this ("Dasein") as I was not aware of it. Yesterday our "adoptive" family had a very nice Thanksgiving, and we were considered youngesters (close to our 50s) among our hosts & guests and this came multiple times when we were discussing AI among many other things - "The joy of work", the "human touch", etc. I usually don't fall for these "nice feel" talks, but now that you mentioned this it hit me. What would I do if something like AI completely replace me (if ever).
If you speak fluent japanese, and you dont practice, you will remember being fluent but no longer actually be able to speak fluently.
Its true for many things; writing code is not like riding a bike.
You cant not write code for a year and then come back at the same skill level.
Using an agent is not writing code; but using an agent effectively requires that you have the skill of writing code.
So, after using a tool that automatically writes code for you, that you probably give some superficial review to, you will find, over time, that you are worse at coding.
You can sigh and shake your head and stamp your feet and disagree, but its flat out a fact of life:
If you dont practice, you lose skill.
I, personally found, this happening, so I now do 50/50 time: 1 week with AI, 1 week with strictly no AI.
If the no AI week “feels hard” then I extend it for another week, to make sure I retain the skills I feel I should have.
Anecdotally, here at $corp, I see people struggling because they are offloading the “make an initial plan to do x that I can review” step too much, and losing the ability to plan software effectively.
Dont be that guy.
If you offload all your responsibilities to an agent and sit playing with your phone, you are making yourself entirely replacable.
I cannot talk for OP, but I have been researching ways to make ML models learn faster, which obviously is a path that will be full of funny failures. I'm not able to use ChatGPT or Gemini to edit my code, because they will just replace my formulas with SimCLR and call it done.
That's it, these machines don't have an original thought in there. They have a lot of data so they seem like they know stuff, they clearly know stuff you don't.But go off the beaten path and they gently but annoyingly try to steer you back.
And that's fine for some things. Horrible if you want to do non-conventional things.
Where's the popcorn? I don't really care either way about so-called AI. I find the talk about AGI quite ridiculous, but I can imagine LLMs have their utility just like anything else. I don't vibe code because I don't find it useful. I'm fine coding by myself thank you very much.
When the AI hype is over and the bubble has burst, I'll still be here, writing quality software using my brain and my fingers, and getting paid to do it.
In a way it's comforting to know those people who hold these positions, with distinguished careers and supposedly made of better stuff than us mere mortals, are in fact just a bunch of miserable weasels, a-holes and sycophants.
We in western democracies used to regard with disdain those corrupt, ridiculous leadership figures in so-called banana republics and third-world dictatorships, with their openly corrupt dealings and amoral excesses.
Now that the moral posturing of the west is unraveling, the question is really what comes next. Fukuyama talked about western liberal democracy being the "end of history", but it is more and more evident that this is a system ripe for disruption.
>We in western democracies used to regard with disdain those corrupt, ridiculous leadership figures in so-called banana republics and third-world dictatorships, with their openly corrupt dealings and amoral excesses.
Not that I wholly disagree, but in the interests of robust conversation, I feel compelled to ask:
"Cook controversially dines with Saudi Crown Prince at White House"
Now, I'm no Saudi Crown Prince stan, but would the word 'controversially' have been used if Cook dined with Biden - who funded and supported a genocide, in which hundreds of journalists were killed? Why was the word 'controversially' not used to refer to also being at the table with Trump there?
Yes, it's controversial that Cook had dinner with the Saudi Crown Prince. In my view it's even more controversial to be having dinner with Trump.
This is just the most recent headline I can give as an example. But there are many like this.
I think you misunderstood. I was pointing out that, in the country which came into being (twice) through a war fought principally to preserve rich, slave-holding landowners' right to hold or gain further land and slaves, it's going to be difficult to find a period in which corrupt dealings and amoral excesses weren't present. George Washington was Bill Gates with some martial chutzpah, and he sent thousands of men to bloody deaths over stated, explicit ideals that he purposely refused to fully execute on because it would have devalued his estate.
We can be better than that, it's just no surprise when we're not, because we historically have not been.
> In a way it's comforting to know those people who hold these positions, with distinguished careers and supposedly made of better stuff than us mere mortals, are in fact just a bunch of miserable weasels, a-holes and sycophants.
There's nothing that quite makes me feel like humanity has undergone speciation than the fact that this STILL HAS TO BE FUCKING SPELLED OUT FOR PEOPLE.
Hero worship is sycophancy of the highest order. Ugh, and I know you're so right.
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