> You can certainly find examples of destructive or unethical behavior if you dig deep enough

Dig deep enough? Please. Merely tilt your head slightly upwards, and let your eyes feast on countless examples.

The problem here is that only bad/negative/failed cases make it to discussion.

It's like researching the safety of driving by only looking at local news station websites. It will seem like the only thing those cars do is crash and kill people.

And yet you didn't give one

Well, let's just hope that if you get kidnapped, enslaved and forced into labour, someone will be kinder to you then you were to them.

So, what do you expect from that hypotheically kinder person? Should they let themselves be scammed by me, once I am kidnapped, enslaved and forced into labour?

You are missing the point, though. The complainer decides whether it's a solvable problem or not, not the listener. So "I'll listen if it's unsolvable (to me)" is a non-starter.

Well I decide if it’s annoying to me and I’m going to tolerate it or lend support.

> It does not pass the "friend test" [...] not a valid legal issue.

What legal doctrine is that, and can you point towards precedent? Or is it one of those "I feel like the law should" situations?

Yes, it is called free speech, as is already duly noted in my parent comment which you may read again. In fact, the responsibility to note a legal doctrine of wrongdoing is entirely yours.

That’s not what free speech means.

Free speech absolutely does allow assigning blame, whether correctly or incorrectly. It also allows suggesting criminal action at some point in the future, just not imminently.

They are not paying customers. From the announcement [1]:

> What This Means for Existing Deployments

> Paid Customers: No action required—your deployments are unaffected.

[1] https://forum.mattermost.com/t/mattermost-v11-changes-in-fre...

Honestly, "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about" is a juvenile take in a post-Snowden world.

> Ocado can only work with packed goods - not weighed vegetables for example

Not quite. Packed yes, but for many vegetables they have both item count and weight-based packages, e.g. "4 potatoes" vs "1kg potatoes".

I think that strikes the right balance.

Interesting, however in my case we have someone who eats a banana each day with breakfast. There's no way to buy 7 bananas in your weekly shop!

> In short, counter arguments to articles like this almost write themselves.

Yes, arguments that are facts-and-numbers-free are easy to write, but that applies to any topic, not just space data centers.

> a robot that operates 100% locally and is located within Bluetooth range

Which robot is that?

Neato's D-Series Botvac just works (e.g., BVD8-SD/HP). No Bluetooth. No cloud. No Wi-Fi. Zero network connectivity required. Had mine about 10 years. Replaced the battery once, probably due for another one. Still cleans well.

I don't understand the appeal of having local appliances bound to the fate of network services.

I have a Neato D650 which I assume meets that classification and is covered by the service withdrawal, it is now pretty degraded -- no notifications, no mapping, no keep-out zones.

No notifications means if it gets stuck it stays there.

No mapping means if it doesn't fully clean the space (eg, a door is closed) then I have no way of knowing without baby-sitting it.

No keep-out zones means every clean involves carefully preparing the space to hang up trailing wires out of the way -- previously I just had some keep-outs near the wires and that worked perfectly.

Without all these features I have stopped using it; it is quicker to just use a stick vacuum.

I've got a robot vac and only use it "manually" they do get stuck from time to time, but its just grab it and stick it down in whatever area.

The house has stairs in bits anyway.

If it was on a schedule it could only do the bit it was in if I left a door open, so why not just use it manually ?

I have never let it on the WiFi.

Dreame with Valetudo

https://valetudo.cloud/pages/installation/dreame.html

I mean it's _every_ robot with valetudo, but I don't think any manufacturer sells their robots with valetudo preinstalled.

My Roborock S5 or 6. I bought it from a stranger, put it on the floor and pressed the power button.

There are no commercially available EVs with mechanical parking brakes, so it's not a Hyundai problem.