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Agreed. That could be pretty cool. Motorola devices are already solid and reasonnably priced; if they had a GrapheneOS line that would just be fantastic.

Motorola devices are terrible due to Motorola's update policy. Usually only 1-2 new Android versions max and then 2-3 years of quarterly security updates.

For this GrapheneOS partnership to work, Graphene would need enough control of the software stack to offer around 7 years of updates.


Lenovo abused their BIOS many years ago in such a way that it would load malware when it detected NTFS.

I hope that behavior is long over.

https://www.theregister.com/2015/08/12/lenovo_firmware_nasty...


> but we will shake our fist at them while they do it

Not even that. They are not shaking anything except their booty.


Short term pain for long term more pain.

If what matters is the number of people killed, the next two should be Putin and Netanyahu. Yet I have a feeling that will not happen.

Pretty much by definition, dictators do not allow themselves to be removed by the people through peaceful means, which is why it's easy to draw a line there. If someone's a dictator, it's morally okay to kill them. Always.

Why isn't Trump bombarding the Kremlin? Isn't Putin a much larger threat to world peace than any leader of Iran?

Also, it's never "morally okay" to kill anyone, ever; the fact that the US still has the death penalty shows how little they understand about morals and logic.


Because it's easier for him to bully Iran, it just so happens that Iran's government is worthy of bullying.

> Why isn't Trump bombarding the Kremlin? Isn't Putin a much larger threat to world peace than any leader of Iran?

Russia is not a threat to the US per MAD doctrine. If Iran had nukes, you might believe that they could actually be mad enough to use them and because Russia has nukes, no one would try this with Putin.

> Also, it's never "morally okay" to kill anyone, ever; the fact that the US still has the death penalty shows how little they understand about morals and logic.

Never, ever? Even self-defence? Or what would you do if you were living in a hunter-gatherer society that did not have the capability to imprison someone for life and you had a murdering psycho in your tribe? Expel him so he can come back and kill more people? Logic?


Because Russia has Nuclear Weapons dummy

Aaaah thanks, I didn't know that and my question wasn't rhetorical.

It's cool we have all those new users on HN who are helping us understand the world.


The murderers are the people committing murders. That the victim was himself a ruthless tyrant doesn't change the fact that this is intolerable. The US can't be the only one allowed to bend the rules.

Don't come crying around when the next 9/11 inevitably happens.


Not just Americans.

What happens when Iran responds by firing missiles on Israel or on a US ship and inflicts major casualties on either targets, though?

Even the US can't move an Iran sized invasion force overnight. It was a couple of years from 9/11 until the invasion of Iraq.

Exactly. See, sinking of the General Belgrano.

WW3 started with the invasion of Ukraine.

What's predictable is, if you don't have nuclear weapons, you get attacked. Ask Ukraine. If I were a small country (any country for that matter) the first order of business would be to build myself nuclear weapons now.

Ask Libya. They gave up their nuclear weapons program as a sign of good will.

The US then lied through their teeth to the security council about wanting to conduct a humanitarian operation and instead acted as the rebels' air force, helping them win and subsequently leaving the country in utter ruin.


The turning point happened when Trump was reelected. One could argue the turning point happened Jan. 6 2020 and nobody truly cared. The consequence should have been for all insurrectionists and Trump himself to be tried for treason and be imprisoned indefinitely. Yet here we are.

> The consequence should have been for all insurrectionists and Trump himself to be tried for treason and be imprisoned indefinitely.

People have this intuitive sense that there's some kind of authority of truth or justice, an available recourse that we could've and should've used.

But that sense is incorrect.

What we actually have the political and justice systems that Trump and his adherent have, so far, quite successfully subverted.


It was when the supreme court judged he could act like a king, the summer before he was elected, inventing things the constitution never said and setting the example of lawlessness Trump now follows up on confidently.

And continuing to pull on that thread, when the Senate refused to vote on Supreme Court nominees for the president in 2016.

Call it the pebble that started the landslide but I lay it at the Patriot Act, which was passed in October, 2001. The passing of the law was bad enough but the subsequent extensions of the law by both parties cemented the government's intent.

In other words we might have killed Osama Bin Laden, but he won. The U.S truly is a "shadow of it's former self."


I'd agree - Trump fulfils the criteria of treason.

It's interesting to see that nothing happens despite this. Now he started another war to distract from his involvement in the huge Epstein network. Also, by the way, quite interesting to see how many people were involved here; there is no way Ghislaine could solo-organise all of that yet she is the only one in prison. That makes objectively no sense.


Another flawed democracy just sentenced their ex-president who attempted a insurrection (and similarly claimed broad presidential powers and immunity) to life in prison. Interesting contrast.

e: Americans seem to be surprised to learn that their democracy is indeed classified as a flawed democracy for more than a decade by The Economist due to decades of backsliding (the more rapid regression lately is not yet accounted for, but I wouldn't be surprised if the outcome of the 2026 elections results in a hybrid regime assessment in 2027).


You'd have a job arguing it's treason legally. In the US that's "levying War against [the United States], or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort".

They were going to do him for conspiracy to defraud the United States and conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, re. the 2020 stuff before he got reelected.


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Your take is a call for civil war. You're obviously wrong about "treason" since even larger majorities voted for Trump in 2024.

How things played out isn’t what decides if it was treason or not.

The US is already in a state of civil war, that war was declared in 2016.

Half the country just hasn't accepted the reality that the other half refuses to share a society with them and wants them dead.


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