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It’s worth also mentioning that as far as I am aware the OpenBSD folks also almost universally eat their own dog food. Most of not all the developers run -current. The bleeding edge. So they can find and fix any issues. I’m not sure how many of the other developers for FreeBSD or NetBSD do that.


I'm a netbsd developer and run netbsd. I think most active netbsd developers do.

a lot of former netbsd developers are still hanging around and contributing to pkgsrc while using it on OS X or linux, I don't think that's a thing to be ashamed of.


I could be wrong but I was under the impression certain sec folks objected to a lot of his patches because they just are not sold on if ASLR really adds any benefit. Or any benefit vs the complexity it adds. Correct me if I’m wrong. I know Theo has bought into it. I just recall in FreeBSD it wasn’t accepted if it really fixes anything.


FYI since a couple weeks ago, all of your comments except this one appear dead. You must have made someone mad.


That’s not quite accurate. They also have the US paying largely for their defense needs. That saves them a ton of money.


Socialism ends this way every. Single. Time. “If only socialism was implemented correctly for a change!” The snowflakes chant. Ignoring history. Implementing more and more socialist programs at home. Sigh.


Since we've asked you several times to stop posting ideological boilerplate and political battle to HN, and instead you do this, we've banned this account.

I suppose I should add that no, that's not because we're $ideological_flavor.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15947441 and marked it off-topic.


How was that post ideological boilerplate? It’s a description of facts.


It's obviously an ideological rant of the sort that has been repeated countless times before and is just the kind of thing we don't want here! That's not because we're socialists or some other ideology, but because experience has taught us what kinds of discussions degenerate.

Even if it were "facts", which it isn't ("The snowflakes chant"?), factness is only one concern. Others include how relevant the "facts" are, how often they've been repeated, and what sort of discussion forms around them. There are infinitely many facts people might discuss, and very different intentions go into picking them. The intention we have here is for thoughtful discussion.


The language might have been snarky, but you can see this sort of thing around here all the time.

I just find it strange because I never saw a liberal-leaning post to be called ideological boilerplate before.


Stick around :)


ah yes. we all know sweden and switzerland and norway are about to collapse and have people die of starvation on the streets.


Since socialism is so successful, maybe they should nationalize food production and distribution too? It's gotta be better than using a capitalistic market economy for that, right?


Except these countries are capitalist with a pinch of socialism here and there. And it is not all perfect over there. Besides their companies are often involved in corruption scandals wherever they operate. I call them hypocritical social democrats :-)


Thanks to western democratic principles. You have conveniently ignored all their neighbors in the east block.


You've named the problem though I don't think you can see it yourself.

No matter where you are on a continuum of socialist and capitalist policies, a fascist dictator will always lead to abuses of power. Strong democratic principles do their best to mitigate and limit that, with varying degrees of success.

Venezuela did not have a strong democratic system. Military force was used to coerce elections, the democratic process to remove Maduro was initiated, completed successfully, and ignored entirely.

The lesson here is that this can happen to any country when our democratic systems are weakened. I'd argue that the United States has been on a glacial path to this for quite some time.


Yep, a track record of failure over the last 100 years.


Sweden has a national debt of 42% of its GDP. You’re free to call that healthy if you wish but that’s redlining to most of us.

And again they also have no defense costs except toys to play with because the US pays for their defense.

So yeah.


Sweden is not part of NATO if thats what you are trying to say...

IIRC Norway is, Denmark is, Sweden and Finland are not.


No I said what I was trying to say. Many countries not in NATO rely on the US for their security and defense. NATO has nothing to do with my statement.


Ha ha, I’m actually agreeing with you; voted you up. Sarcasm does not work so well with one liners.


The war on drugs is an EPIC faulted by any measure. It’s almost criminal in itself. Addiction is a health issue NOT a brutal police force issue.

End the war on drugs. Stop tearing families apart for non violent offenders and victimless crimes.

Dissolve the DEA. Return the money to the tax payers. Lower taxes.

Stop the savagery. Portugal and now Norway. Hopefully the sane nations continue to grow.


I’ve seen no proof of Russian meddling that had any provable effect on the election. Only theoretical.

Second do you have ANY idea how many elections the US has “meddled” in? Let alone how many leaders we have literally overthrown?? Get some perspective. If you don’t like other nations pissing in our oatmeal I seriously suggest we stop pissing, shitting, and vomiting in theirs. Golden rule and all. Let the booing begin.


I guess it's only a theory that Cheeto's National Security Advisor Michael Flynn pled guilty to lying to the FBI about his Russian contacts.

Really.


Even if that’s accurate how does that negate what I said about all of the Russian BS is just that BS. No proven election fraud, no voter fraud, nothing provable to russians.



Wireless. Interesting observation. I have often considered trying to startup a wireless isp or wireless mesh network to provide fast net for cheap. But the wireless tech has never scaled well and the speeds have never kept pace with wired.

Even the latest MM wave hardware rolling out would be ok for now but tomorrow? Who knows how much of an upgrade path you will have in terms of speed and capacity.

Wireless doesn’t need to be gigabit to the home. 200mb/s would do a few streams of 4K and then handle most of everything else you need. Throw in caching and I don’t think you would need to offer gigabit speeds. If you did you couldn’t support many folks per station.

I wish wireless was a silver bullet but it’s shaky at best imo.

It’s clearly the ONLY option for breaking the back of the incumbents. Especially if you only rely on private building access and bypass street lights and utility poles.

Thoughts?


After pondering on this quandary I find myself not knowing which is more offensive, the fact that corporate money pours into politics and corrupts everything into a pile of shit, or the fact that revolving doors are legal. Pait was a Verizon executive. So those being regulated are now writing the regulations.

I really can’t tell which horrendous act is worse.


Agreed. It’s mostly one land based provider and maybe a satellite option.

You know I would almost be willing to consider scrapping NN if they also had the power to overturn and throw out ALL incumbent laws preventing competition from accessing right of ways, street and utility poles and making it so easy to bury cable you could do it in your sleep at state/city/local levels.


> overturn and throw out ALL incumbent laws preventing competition from accessing right of ways, street and utility poles and making it so easy to bury cable you could do it in your sleep at state/city/local levels.

Let's not forget all the laws requiring fledgling ISPs to build out to entire cities, instead of focusing on areas where they might be able to quickly start turning a profit. Even if you have net neutrality, these laws are still preventing you from getting faster and better options for internet.


Agreed. The regulations we both mentioned have killed any competition in providing, let’s just call internet connection providers what they are, dumb pipes. That’s what they all boil down to. Just dumb pipes to give you access to a network.

And in that context the more providers of dumb pipes we have the better. It’s just a race to the bottom then. Who offers the lowest latency, highest speed and capacity pipe for the cheapest price.


the problem is politicians (mostly local) who sell municipal monopolies in exchange for donations at a time when other parts of the world allow multiple companies to build/lease the dumb pipes to great success (like South Korea). its pure corruption. thats why places like florida (the sunshine state) don't use solar. Government backed monopolies.

we should be investigating these corrupt arrangements (given that the existence of obviously better options suggests fraud and abuse) and forcing the government to undo its shitty decisions. (buy back/sell if necessary) the opposite would be to submit the internet to regulatory capture under NN and the FCC (which effectively killed TV and radio - forcing private cable and streaming content creators to give us the few uncensored options we DO have)


well... I've never been in USA but you must have really great streets. but a lot of streets are already painful to use. and if every internet company could dig holes and put their cabeles in, it would probably be even worse. I mean in germany it's common that the street gets opened 3-4 times. 1. to repair/create it 2. to repair/add everything to do with water 3. to repair/add electricity 4. to repair/add networking/telecom

why? because most often they unify themself, because everybody said that they should pay less, because they do not do much... It happens way too often here. I'm just 27 years old and I already seen it many times a year. this year was especially painful. I've seen streets completly remade - and then after finishing it they opened it again and again 1 month past finish

yes it might probably help the competition. but it could make other things worse. I think land-lines, water, electricity should be in the hands of govt. or some kind of foundatition that manages these things in a escrow fashion and everybody could get a piece if he pays x % for x% of usage.


Security just cleared the room before the vote could happen. I didn’t see that coming. Bomb threat?


That was really strange. What the hell?

Just to make my comment a little bit more useful, here's a clip of the moment when security advised everyone to take a break: https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/941365229841272832


Their was some loud voices there at the very end, but I couldn't catch what they were saying


"I need everyone to leave everything that you have in place – do not take anything out of here except for your bodies – I don’t wanna see any bags, books or anything."


As and after he says this, all the visible attendees gather their belongings before heading to the exit.


Because who doesn't want to leave their $2K+ camera laying around for security goons to mess with. That said, when a potential bomb threat or other security issue has been called just leave the bag and get out of the room - your life isn't worth your belongings (even if 99% of the time stuff like this is just a false alarm).


That's one way to delay the vote...


CBSN has a live feed showing the empty room after it was apparently cleared by security.

https://www.cbsnews.com/live/?ftag=CNMe94798


They brought in dogs to search the room, then let everybody back in. Pretty safe guess that was a credible bomb threat.

Especially considering 4chan was sending Pai's home a pizza every half hour for a while, if Twitter is to be believed.


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