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I am a software developer. I went to college to learn software development. Two years ago, they tried to tack DevOps on to my job description. I told them "no thanks", then had to find another job. I found one and am MUCH happier not having to do that DevOps crap. No offense, but it a soul-draining undertaking, and I like writing code ... ONLY!

I have a different opinion. :) DevOps is great feedback to the engineering team.

Too many alarms or alarms at unsocial hours? The engineering team should feel that pain.

Too hard to push? The engineering team should feel that pain.

Strange hard to diagnose alarms? Yep, the engineering team should feel that pain!

The feedback is very important to keeping the opex costs under control.

However, I think the author and I have different opinions on what DevOps is. DevOps isn't a full time role. It's what the engineer does to get their software into production.


This sounds very adversarial to me. I’m glad our devops team doesn’t think like you.

In my career, DevOps was never a separate organization. It was a role assumed by the code owners. SRE (is it up, is the hardware working, is the network working?) was separate, and had different metrics.

Having separate teams makes it adversarial because both orgs end up reporting into separate hierarchies with independent goals.

Think about the metrics each team is measured on. Who resolves conflicts between them? How high up the org chart is it necessary to go to resolve the conflict? Can one team make different tradeoffs on code quality vs speed from another, or is it company-wide?


If you have a “DevOps team” - they are operations and you aren’t getting any of the benefits of a DevOps mindset

Meh, real life is a bit more complicated than a manifesto.

It’s not about just a manifesto, at the startup I worked for before getting into consulting 6 years ago - cloud + app dev - it was much more affective for the team who did the work, to create their own IAC based on a standard.

What’s the difference between a “DevOps team” in 2026 than “operations” in 2001?


The difference is what they do. Assisting other teams with creating fully automated build and test pipelines. Managing infrastructure using automated systems. Identifying issues in production systems that other teams should look at, down to a level of granularity that wasn’t really possible in 2001.

> affective

You mean “effective”.


It very much was possible in 2001. In 2001 we automated updating and automating our 15 or so Windows job runners with Perl and the Win32:: module.

No large enterprise by 2001 was walking up to individual PCs and updating computers by walking around and sticking CDs/DVDs in each computer and they were definitely making sure our on prem SQL Server and later MySQL database wasn’t having issues using dashboards and alerts.


That was very much present in 2001 except it was two separate teams: qa and sysadmins

The only folks who like devops are those that haven’t touched anything else, or are scared to move out of that molehill. Try it once .. is my advice

> The only folks who like devops are those that haven’t touched anything else, or are scared to move out of that molehill.

IDK I've been called everything from: SysOp, SysAdmin, Network Engineer, Systems Architect, Solutions Engineer, Sales Engineer, Platform Engineer, etc. Half of those at different companies are just "DevOps" depending on the org.


I think there are different definitions of DevOps.

I see a difference between a more definite operations team (SRE) vs an engineering team having responsibility for how their service works in production (DevOps).

DevOps is something that all teams should be doing - there's no point in writing code that spends it's life generating problems for customers or other teams, and having the problems arrive at the owners results in them being properly prioritized.

In smaller orgs, DevOps and SRE might be together, but it should still be a rotation instead of a fulltime role, and everyone should be doing it.

Engineers who don't do devops write code that looks like:

  if (should_never_happen) {
    log.error("owner=wombat@example.com it happened again");
  }

Where the one who does do devops writes code that avoids the error condition entirely (usually possible), or decides what the code should do in that situation (not log).

It truly depends on the type of DevOps experience. I've avoided firefighting DevOps roles my career and I enjoy it. Having the space to step back and design intelligent dependent systems is satisfying.

> I like writing code ... ONLY!

Boy do I have some bad news for you...


Same thing happened to me at a company several years ago. It felt like they wanted me in two roles but were only paying me for one. Didn't take long for me to jump ship after that.

DevOps is secretly spiral development.

Great if billing by the hour, and mostly unsustainable for products =3


I am first and foremost still a software developer as far as my hands on keyboard job. I absolutely love being able to set up my own infrastructure without depending on glorified system administrators who call themselves “DevOps Engineers”. It’s all just code at the end of the day - setting up infrastructure involves writing yaml, HCL or actual code (CDk).

It looks really nice, but it is subscription based, so ... no thanks. I refuse to give in to this horrible cycle started by Adobe, lo so many years ago.

I had a similar epiphany in college, somewhere amongst Calc I, II, III, DiffEq, physics, and engineering. I kept meaning to pursue it, but life got in the way and I never did. Unfortunately, I can no longer remember what that epiphany was, and I am sad.

> "My first pico balloon made it only halfway across the Atlantic before going silent."

As if we needed more junk in the ocean.


I have had my identity stolen [at least] three times in the last 15 years:

* OPM Hack

* Target Hack

* Equifax Hack

I say "at least" because there have been more, but I just started ignoring them after a while. I also had it stolen back in the late 1990s; and, thinking back, that was crazy for that time period.


What is it about a good card game that is so appealing? I am not a fan of dice games at all, but give me some cards to hold, and I'm in.

It's actually Googie architecture:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Googie_architecture

And it's glorious! I wish we would go back to this.


This has to make you wonder if the entire Security Theater is for security or money. I mean, if the RealID is supposed to increase security, then how does plopping $45.00 down help security? I'm pretty sure most terrorists can afford that. There is also the possibility that the RealID is simply another way the government is using to keep tabs on us 24/7/365.

My son and I are both fascinated by synthesizers and what they can do. I bought this:

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Nts1Mk2--korg-nutekt...

For us to build and play with, and we have a ball with it. This phase8 would be a ton of fun as well.


Ok, I really want to know the name of the "second rate pop duo band".


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