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Most ridiculous valuation in the history of markets. Cant wait to watch these compsnies crash snd burn when people give up on the slot machine.

As usual don't take financial advice from HN folks!

not as if you could get in on it even if you wanted to

WeWork almost IPO’s at $50bn. It was also a nice crash and burn.

Why? They had $10+ billion arr run rate in 2025 trippeled from 2024 I mean 30x is a lot but also not insane at that growth rate right?

It's a 13 days old account with IHateAI handle.

Yeah, this is why I dont get the argument that LLMs are good for bootstrapping. Especially anything serious.

Sure these things can technically frontload a lot of work at the beginning of a project, but I would argue the design choices made at the beginning of a project set the tone for the entire project, and its best those be made with intention, not stochastic text extruders.

Lets be real these things are shortcut machines that appeal to people's laziness, and as with most shortcuts in life, they come with consequences.

Have fun with your "Think for me SaaS" im not going to let my brain atrophy to the point where my competency is 1:1 correlated to the quantity and quality or tokens I have access too.


local first is not the future, lmfao, maybe in 10-20 years. It currently cost ~80k-100k to run a pretty meh Kimi 2.5 at decent tok p/s, which is rather useless anyways. And that doesn't allow you to run any multi-agent sessions.

By time hardware costs shrink to allow you to run useful models, concurrently in multi agent environments, they'll have already devalued labor on a scale never before seen.The layoffs and labor will cause us all to work for morsels, on whatever work opportunities remain. Eventually you'll beg to fight in a war.

LLMs are only here to attack labor, devalue the working class and eventually make us useless to the ruling class. LLMs do not create opportunities/jobs, they replace the inputs to labor, humans. That's their only purpose.

But I guess most llm-kiddies think they're going to vibe code their way out of the working class with Anthropic's latest slop offering. Good luck with that. In 5 years your labor will be worth a 1/4 maybe 1/2 of what it is now, and that vibe coded startup of yours will have been made 5000x times over by every other delusional llm-kiddie.

Have fun with your GPU, you won't be able to afford a 60 series, if they even make one, and it certainly won't be powerful enough to pull you out of the black mirror episode we're heading towards.

I recommend learning and not frying your brain with "Think for me Saas", and not being dependent on Meta or Alibaba open sourcing some model that allows you to compete with them.


Yeah, but humans still had to work to create those websites, it increased jobs, didn't replace them (this is happening). This will devalue all labor that has anything to do with i/o on computers, if not outright replace a lot of it. Who cares if it can't write perfect code, the owners of the software companies never cared about good code, they care about making money. They make plenty of money off slop, and they'll make even more if they don't have to have humans create the slop.

The job market will get flooded with the unemployed (it already is) with fewer jobs to replace the ones that were automated, those remaining jobs will get reduced to minimum wages whenever and wherever possible. 25% of new college grads cannot find employment. Soon young people will be so poor that you'll beg to fight in a war. Give it 5-10 years.

This isn't a hard future to game theory out, its not pretty if we maintain this fast track of progress in ML that minimally requires humans. Notice how the ruling class has increased the salaries for certain types of ML engineers, they know what's at stake. These businessmen make decisions based on expected value calculated from complex models, they aren't giving billion dollar pay packages to engineers because its trendy. We should use our own mental models to predict where this is going, and prevent it from happening however possible.

THE word ''Luddite'' continues to be applied with contempt to anyone with doubts about technology, especially the nuclear kind. Luddites today are no longer faced with human factory owners and vulnerable machines. As well-known President and unintentional Luddite D. D. Eisenhower prophesied when he left office, there is now a permanent power establishment of admirals, generals and corporate CEO's, up against whom us average poor bastards are completely outclassed, although Ike didn't put it quite that way. We are all supposed to keep tranquil and allow it to go on, even though, because of the data revolution, it becomes every day less possible to fool any of the people any of the time. If our world survives, the next great challenge to watch out for will come - you heard it here first - when the curves of research and development in artificial intelligence, molecular biology and robotics all converge. Oboy. It will be amazing and unpredictable, and even the biggest of brass, let us devoutly hope, are going to be caught flat-footed. It is certainly something for all good Luddites to look forward to if, God willing, we should live so long. Meantime, as Americans, we can take comfort, however minimal and cold, from Lord Byron's mischievously improvised song, in which he, like other observers of the time, saw clear identification between the first Luddites and our own revolutionary origins. It begins:[0]

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/97/05/18/r...


I love paying some billionaire $0.0001 to use his thinking machine / Think for me SaaS. I love my competency and speed being rented from a billionaire, removing all value of my labor and agency. I really feel sorry for all of you LLM pilled people. You need to be shamed. This is going to be used as a weapon to devalue every working persons agency in this world and remove all of the working class's bargaining chips.

You think its just SWE? It will be accountants, customer service, factory workers, medical assistance basically anyone who doesn't work with their hands directly, and they'll try to solve that here soon too and alienate them too.

Look at who's in charge, do you think they're going to give us UBI? No, they're going to sign us up to go fight wars to help them accumulate resources. Stop supporting this, they're going to make us so poor young men will beg to fight in a war. Its the same playbook from the first half of the 20th Century.

You think I'm paranoid, give it 5 years.

We are at all time high's in the stock market/equities and they've laid off 400k SWE's in the last 16 months. While going on podcasts to tell us we are going to have more time to create and do what we love. We have to work to pay our bills. We don't want whats coming, but they're selling us some lie that this will solve all our problems, it will solve the ruling classes problems that will be it. You will have no bargaining chips and you will be forced to take whatever morsels given to you.

Your competency will be directly correlated 1:1 to the quantity and quality of tokens that you can afford, given access too (or loaned??) We're literally at the beginning of a black mirror episode before it gets dark.

People that grew up in the Capitalist West have been brainwashed since they were 10 years old they they can be a billionaire too, no you can't there's 2k-3k of them and 8 billion of us.

These automation tools are the ultimate weapon for the ruling class to strip all value of you from your labor, and you're embracing that as a miracle. Its not, your life is in the process of being torn of all meaning.

Good luck to everyone who agrees, we're going to need it.. Anyone supporting these companies or helping enhance these model's capabilities, you're a class traitor and soon to be slave.

Required reading: https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/97/05/18/r...


I'm with you. Though what good choices do I have as an individual? It seems like all the choices are crap.

llms are totally empowering people! The ruling class is definately not weaponizing these tools to devalue the your labor, pocket millions!

If you're a surviving engineer at one of these companies enjoy working twice as much for the same amount of money.


Have you considered that

1. it could be an excuse, they said it was only part of the reason themselves

2. ai is empowering the homeowner to do their own repairs, negating the need for Angi, thus reinforcing #1

3. people are feeling the financial crunch, so they are opting to do their own repairs, regardless of ai, thus reinforcing #1

4. their revenue has been falling for 3 years, thus reinforcing #1


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Do you really think

1. All Americans are the same? (have you seen what the people of Minneapolis are doing?)

2. Anything you just described is only an American problem? (have you seen the global network in the epstein files?)

it's Friday man, time to chill out after a stressful week


Yes, if an LLM from one of these major models is prompt injected its likely its will say something like that at the end, and is good at differentiating between obviously hidden content. Or it will ignore it all together. That would be the right answer. I don't know this is a dumb idea.

I'm 100% sure its already happening

This wont work on any of the most recent releases for most (except maybe grok)

Oh damn, all these weird ass sites are starting to look the same. I've seen like 10x sites now with this same color scheme/layout. Whats going on here.

It's one of the 5 or 6 themes most LLMs will generate if you ask for a site, if you want to see a bunch of different models generating a variation on that same theme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2FnYRP5kC4


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