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It's so strange. I do all the things you mention and it works brilliantly well 10 times out of 11.


You are probably doing something others have done before frequently.

I find the LLMs struggle constantly with languages there is little documentation or out of date. RAG, LoRA and multiple agents help, but they have their own issues as well.


The OP was working on a "a small JavaScript/HTML web application"

This is a particular sweetspot for LLMs at the moment. I'll regularly one-shot entire NextJS codebases with custom styling in both Codex and Claude.

But it turns out the OP is using Copilot. That just isn't competitive anymore.


I'll see if I can run the experiment again with Codex, if not on the exact same project then a similar one. The advice I'm getting in the other comments is that Codex is more state of the art.

As a quick check I asked Codex to look over the existing source code, generated via Copilot using the GPT-5 agent. I asked it to consider ways of refactoring, and then to implement them. Obviously a fairer test would be to start from scratch, but that would require more effort on my part.

The refactor didn't break anything, which is actually pretty impressive, and there are some improvements. However if a human suggested this refactor I'd have a lot of notes. There's functions that are badly named or placed, a number of odd decisions, and it increases the code size by 40%. It certainly falls far short of what I'd consider a capable coder should be doing.


Your link actually don't touch upon what I found most compelling: That /u/maxwellhill stopped positing two days before her arrest and haven't posted again since then.


> If this was true, it would be the strongest piece of evidence so far.

> But it’s not.

> I’m sorry to tell you this, but /u/maxwellhill did post after the 2nd of July. Just not in public. He continued to perform moderator duties, interact with staff members, and answer private messages. Here’s a conversation between /u/hasharin and /u/maxwellhill that happened on the 9th.

> Additionally, here’s evidence that /u/maxwellhill made a post inside a private subreddit, nine days after the “Tr45son” one.

> This seems pretty bad for the theory. With Ghislaine Maxwell in jail awaiting charges, /u/maxwellhill is casually swapping PMs with reddit moderators and spitballing around policy ideas. How could they be the same person?

That's from the link.

I stopped posting to Reddit in December 2015 and haven't been back since. David Bowie died a few days later 10 January 2016. Am I David Bowie?


I've gotta wonder how often this happens in the general case: a prolific user and mod of large subreddits stops posting abruptly without notice. How many users are as active as maxwellhill was with similar seniority? Maybe a few thousand? In a given year, how many of them abandon Reddit suddenly? It seems like some scraping and basic analytics could yield an answer, and then we'd know the posterior.

Don't know if maxwellhill was ghislaine, but whoever he was, I think some big life event caused him to leave, and that it wasn't voluntary.


Except it does


"ethics or whatever" seem like a good tagline for people rooting for an AI-company when it's being sued by authors.


Makes sense why Effective Altruism is so popular. Commit crime, make billions, give back when dead, live guilt free?


Always wondered why Rings of Power have 84% critics score but just 49% audience.


One important factor is that the critics score is binary in a sense: if all critics agree that the movie was "passable but not great" then Rotten Tomatoes still gives it a 100% critics score.

The website explains it clearly enough I would say.


Because critics get paid, whilst audience have to pay.


I didn't like the idea that my money had paid for such a disservice of my favourite book, so it pushed me to cancel my Prime subscription that had been ongoing for years. I don't buy nearly as much on Amazon these days as a consequence.


I am annoyed by Rings of Power, but at least we got some fairly passable (if still very flawed) adaptations from Peter Jackson. I'm more salty about Wheel of Time, because that trashed the source material just as hard, and because it bombed it's unlikely we will ever see someone try again with an actual good adaptation.


I rarely get angry about bad content but RoP felt like a personal affront. I love Tolkien's world and the people who put RoP together did so with not just ignorance and incompetence, but some kind of malice. They intentionally butchered Tolkien's writing and world. This stands in such stark contrast with Peter Jackson's position that it is not his right to inject his personal values and narcissistic hubris into the movies. He chose to honour the material as best he could while adapting it. It is, without any shadow of a doubt, the better approach.


> but some kind of malice

Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence :)

I bet the RoP team are great content creation professionals. They obey all the rules of their craft.

They also do not care about the material at all, otherwise they'd be script writers and directors, not content creators.


> This stands in such stark contrast with Peter Jackson's position that it is not his right to inject his personal values and narcissistic hubris into the movies. He chose to honour the material as best he could while adapting it.

That's funny, because that's very much not what happened with those movies. Remember the character assassination of Faramir? I recall Jackson (or perhaps Fran Walsh) saying in an interview that they deliberately broke from Tolkien's story with that one, because the way Tolkien wrote it didn't fit the story they were trying to tell. They felt that having someone set the One Ring aside when tempted undermined the idea of building up the Ring as a threat in the minds of the audience. In other words, they chose to go with the story they wanted to tell rather than honoring the story Tolkien told.

Certainly the LOTR movies weren't as flagrant as Rings of Power with the liberties they took. And some of the changes were indeed due to the constraints of adapting to the medium of film, rather than a book. But even so, they chose to disrespect the source material pretty blatantly at times.


It's fair to point out the difference re Faramir but I feel it is rather small and inconsequential. He ultimately made the same decision in both the book and movie. Again, I am not contending that no changes were made. A movie adaptation requires changes. I'm claiming that the changes were in service to the material, lore, world-buildings, themes, and messaging. The RoP writers thumbed their noses at all of that.


To me that feels like sacrificing a detail to service the larger story, which when you're trying to fit three whole books into just three movies might be necessary. In RoP they made many changes nilly-willy, missing most of what made the source material great.


> Report says PR firm has been paying Rotten Tomatoes critics for positive reviews (screengeek.net) 254 points by mc32 on Sept 7, 2023

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37419427


Critics often score based on first few episodes to be released in, and never revisit the score. And if it's shiny/ expensive (and RoP was both) and seems like it might lead somewhere, they risk ridiculing themselves by being too critical.


Have you not used commercial LLMs to generate program source code? You describe it as if it's an almost unsolvable problem which might have been reasonable 2 years ago but I just used gpt-5 to generate a complete NextJS application for flashcards.

I've literally been employing nondeterministic content generation based on statistical relevance defined by an unknown training data, to repeatably produce content satisfying a strict mathematical model for months now.


I'm pretty sure there're thousands of blog posts and books describing creation of a complete flashcards application in all popular programming languages and on all popular frameworks.


There're thousands of blog posts and books describing the vast majority of code most software developers write on a day to day basis.

99.99% of the code in that B2B SaaS for finding the cheapest industrial shipping option isn't novel.


> 99.99% of the code in that B2B SaaS for finding the cheapest industrial shipping option isn't novel.

That's like saying 99.99% of the food people eat consists of protein, carbohydrates, fats, and/or vegetables and therefore isn't novel. The implication being a McDonald's Big Mac and fries is the same as a spinach salad.

The only way someone could believe all food is the same as a Big Mac and fries is if this is all they ate and knew nothing else.

Hyperbole never ends well and neither does assuming novelty requires rarity or uniqueness, as distinct combinations of programmatic operations which deliver value in a problem domain is the very definition "new in an interesting way."

Just like how Thai noodles have proteins, carbohydrates, fats, and/or vegetables, yet are nothing like a Big Mac and fries.


Calling using a proven tool (LLM agents) to generate code that provide real business value a "fatal flaw" was already hyperbole.

The equivalent of not using LLMs in your workflow as a software engineer today isn't eating whole foods. That might have been true a year ago, but today it's becoming more and more equivalent to a fruit only diet.


> The equivalent of not using LLMs in your workflow as a software engineer today isn't eating whole foods. That might have been true a year ago, but today it's becoming more and more equivalent to a fruit only diet.

A software engineer which understands the problem to be solved, the programming language used to reify it, and the supporting libraries incorporated in order to address ancillary concerns has no need for "using LLMs in your workflow."

In other words, the act of producing source code is the last step a developer undertakes. This is usually no more than a typing exercise.


Except I could think they mean the name of the thing, the size of the thing or a million other things. Especially if i have no knowledge of the underlying concept of colors.


London-England+France=Maupassant


> "Where's the money in Instagram?" Preventing Instagram from developing into something that has a negative effect on Facebook. It's a "keep your enemies closer" move.

- Larrys 2012


Now do the same with google search results.


Don't know if I consider "not having ads until people become dependant on it" a pro.


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