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yes, tesla, famously the worst performing car manufacturer with the worst profit margins, is definitely going bust any day now

Here's some context: Tesla, BYD, and Xiaomi Are Playing Different Games https://gilpignol.substack.com/p/tesla-byd-and-xiaomi-are-pl...

Clearly 200 forward P/E and three consecutive quarters of missed earning is a sign of profitability.

It's a stock worth $50-60 with generous valuation. The premium is the Elon bullshit and grift. That isn't gonna last forever.


> Sales of Tesla's electric Cybertruck fell 48% in 2025, new data shows.

> Tesla sold 20,237 Cybertrucks in 2025, down from 38,965 the previous year, according to figures from Kelley Blue Book's annual electric vehicle (EV) sales reports.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tesla-cybertruck-sales-elon-mus...

> A federal safety report shows that Tesla is recalling 63,619 of its futuristic pickups, and this seems to be the total number of Cybertrucks built since the first one was delivered at the end of 2023.

https://www.arenaev.com/teslas_latest_recall_reveals_real_cy...

> Musk said that it's time to put the Model S and Model X vehicles to rest. Now it's not that huge of a change, given that 97% of Tesla's sales consist of Model 3 and Model Y cars, but the Model S is still the original car delivered by Tesla.

https://www.arenaev.com/tesla_discontinues_the_model_s_and_m...

> The financial report paints a grim picture for the company. Tesla's total profit for 2025 was €3.24 billion. That is a lot of money, whichever way you look at it, but it is actually 46 percent less than what the company made in 2024. The profit margin, which is the percentage of money the company keeps after paying expenses, fell to just 4.9 percent. In 2022, that number sat at 23.8 percent.

> One of the most interesting parts of the financial report is how Tesla made its money. A large chunk of its profit did not come from selling EVs to people. Instead, it came from selling "regulatory credits" to other car companies that need help meeting pollution rules. These credits brought in €2 billion.

> That means 52 percent of Tesla's entire profit for the year came from these credits, not from selling vehicles. If Tesla did not have those credits, the financial results would look much worse. And the problem the company is facing? Those credits are gone; they won't be part of Tesla's business model this year since they were cancelled by the current administration.

https://www.arenaev.com/tesla_profits_drop_as_automaker_star...

Tesla is betting on long shots like humanoid robots and self driving taxis everywhere. There are other desperation moves like merging Tesla (profitable) with SpaceX (I think it's also profitable? but most of its business is governments: risky markets) and xAI (most likely wildly unprofitable, just like Twitter).


> with the worst profit margins

The 2025 profit margin for Telsa was 4.6%. Toyota's was 9.4%. Telsa is famously on a multi-year sales and revenue decline.


Keep up.

You're quoting Canadian law.

In the US it varies by state but generally requires:

A false statement of fact (not opinion, hyperbole, or pure insinuation without a provably false factual core).

Publication to a third party.

Fault

Harm to reputation

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In the US it is required that it is written (or in a fixed form). If it's not written (fixed), it's slander, not libel.


Pictures are statement of fact: what is depicted exists. Naked pictures cause harm to reputation

The relevant jurisdiction isn't the US either.

try talking to young attractive women on their experiences and you'll maybe appreciate this somewhat forced interaction less. my partner has been literally kidnapped multiple times (refused to take her to her destination and refused to let her out for over an hour), had drivers refuse to unlock doors until she gave them her number at least once every two months, and constantly has drivers take detours and longer routes to force conversation for longer.

the sooner we can stop subjecting people to having to interact with strangers in a semi-private setting just for basic needs like getting around, the better off vulnerable people will be


because i dont want to deal with constant whitelist management and i simply don't install applications i don't trust. if there's anything really absolutely essential or damaging if it were to leak i would not put it on a internet connected device to begin with

Electrek writer and owner still salty about failing to game the referral system, continue with fake journalism

I really wish we'd ban electrek articles on HN, they're constantly false, misleading, or just grinding an axe.

I can't tell if this is satire or not because it reads just how LLMs think before giving their final output

Hence my point. :-) Subjecting each other to drive-by Turing tests is going to cause more net damage to online communities than it'll help.

Putin accused Ukrainians of being nazis and racists as justification to invade them. The problem with censorship is your definition of a nazi is different than mine and different than Putin's, and at some end of the spectrum we're going to be enabling fascism by allowing censorship of almost any sort, since we'll never agree on what should be censored, and then it just gets abused.

That's not how it works, at all. Russia didn't become a dictatorship after censoring fascists. Quite the contrary, in fact. By giving a platform to fascism, you risk losing all free speech once it gains power. That's what's happening in the US.

Censorship is not a way to dictatorship, dictatorship is a way to censorship. Free speech shouldn't be extended to the people who actively work against it, for obvious reasons.


> Free speech shouldn't be extended to the people who actively work against it

Okay but then we disagree on what behaviors count as working against free speech, and then we're creating a legal basis to disallow free speech, which is horrible. For example I believe your comment to be against free speech ideals, which by your logic means we should legally restrict your right to free speech and not allow you to post what you just post.


What's your definition of a Nazi?

Is your definition different than Time magazine: https://time.com/5926750/azov-far-right-movement-facebook/

> When they finally rendezvoused, Fuller noticed the swastika tattoo on the middle finger of Furholm’s left hand. It didn’t surprise him; the recruiter had made no secret of his neo-Nazi politics. Within the global network of far-right extremists, he served as a point of contact to the Azov movement, the Ukrainian militant group that has trained and inspired white supremacists from around the world, and which Fuller had come to join.

Is the Atlantic Council controlled by Putin? https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/ukraine-s...

Are books like these unavailable due to suppression or censorship in your region? https://chtyvo.org.ua/authors/de_Ploeg_Chris_Kaspar/Ukraine_...


is isnt? there's a thread here that currently has 789 comments that isn't killed, and the previous two ICE deaths had comment threads even longer

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46745047


I saw another one that was killed and there was nothing else as far as I could see, Thanks for the link

> but rather clarify the reasoning why this specific story was not considered as one of the few stories where such action was taken.

i think if you read more past discussions around moderation (including one dang directly linked) the reason for this would be obvious. read the search results for flags being turned off.

moderators try, as they said, to let the community moderate itself. they try to impress very little bias into the system. but they do try to promote constructive and interesting conversation, and the more things deviate from that mission, the less likely it is to be actively encouraged to be on HN

the likelihood of the conversation around this news post is very unlikely to be interesting and constructive. people have very entrenched beliefs and no one's mind is going to get changed from emotionally loaded comments on this post

additionally, this is now also the third post of this nature to be on HN in the past weeks, and there's unlikely to be anything new to the conversation added this time that wasn't covered by the previous thousands of comments on previous submissions

they are not actively reducing the visibility of this post. they're just declining to artificially inflate its visibility above the same criteria 99% of submissions also have


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