Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submit | 2trill2spill's commentslogin

I assume in this case they already had a bunch of firewall rules for PF and switching from OpenBSD -> FreeBSD is a much easier lift then going to linux because both the BSDs are using PF, although IIRC there are some differences between both implementations.


Agreed, its one of the many reasons I cant wait for the shift from ICE vehicles to EVs, they are just so much quieter.


If you're nearby any moderately busy road it's not the engine what makes noise but the tires and then air going around the car. Engine/exhaust noise is a problem but easy to solve


> Engine/exhaust noise is a problem but easy to solve

It's easy from a technical standpoint but practically impossible from a human one. The vast majority of people simply don't notice or care that some large percentage of vehicles are intentionally modified to be louder than the legal maximum. Police won't enforce it, and most citizens barely register the noise as present, much less a problem.

Banning ICE vehicles altogether may very well be the only thing that actually gets the problem solved, since that actually has more momentum behind it than enforcement of existing noise regulations does.


I'm not sure "large percentage" is a statement I'd agree with, my searching skills are failing me, do you have any kind of source for that? I'd be shocked if it was over 5%...


I live near a medium-busy street. I haven't seen actual numbers but it wouldn't surprise me if at peak hours there are over 100 cars passing per minute.

If 5% of those are overly loud, that's an average of a very loud noise every 3 seconds, and most of them will take somewhere between 5 and 10 seconds to come and finally go away. If you don't think that's large, we have very different noise thresholds.


I guess "large" is subjective. 1-5% is the ballpark I have in my head based on experience, which qualifies as "large" to me when I get passed by thousands of cars a day.

The hard numbers I'm aware of are about motorcycles, which have much higher rates of illegal modifications than other vehicles. This source documents a bunch of other sources, with estimates ranging from 40-70%:

https://noisefree.org/sources-of-noise/motorcycles/


People that purposefully install loader than necessary pipes on their vehicles ought to be forced to stay awake by having a marching band play nonstop in their bedroom until the loud exhaust pipe is removed


> If you're nearby any moderately busy road it's not the engine what makes noise but the tires and then air going around the car.

You cannot even hear modern ICE cars running unless you are really close to them. My neighbor's garage door opener is louder than his ICE car...

Road noise is tires/air like you mentioned. Not a real way to deal with that.


I found this to be true for cars and maybe trucks, but not for motorbikes. Some extreme motorbikes rattle all parked cars and trigger alarms.

When Harley-Davidson and other moppet/scooters would be all electric, that would be quitter.


"When Harley-Davidson and other moppet/scooters would be all electric, that would be quitter."

Not that easy, the electric Harley is intentionally louder than the combustion version - because people want them loud.

(I am not a fan of banning in general, but banning noise is fine by me)


Yep, there are plenty of ICE vehicles that are quite. A large number of cars/small trucks that are loud are designed that way because the roaring engine noise sells the car.


I believe it bas to do more with vehicular speed than business. At low speeds, engine noise dominates; on a freeway, it’s the tyres.



Yes and no at the same time. Tire noise is significant which is also a function of vehicle weight, speed, and tire design. You tend not to notice the tire noise as most of our interaction with cars is in places like parking lots where engine noise is much more pronounced.


Depends what we are talking about. In Europe, uber EV moped drivers are sooooo much nicer than the regular ones. Most of our interaction with cars are on side walks, along moving cars.


There is still honking, car alarms, and bass


Umm each plane cost way less than 1.7 Billion. A F35A can be purchased for around $80 million. The 1.7 trillion figure is the cost of research & development, purchasing about 1700 aircraft, and sustaining them for 57 years. So that includes fuel, spare parts, upgrades, pilots, etc, for almost 60 years.


To further elaborate on this, it’s something like a few tenths of total GDP over that period.

Now, depending on how you look at it, you can consider that either a huge number or eminently affordable - I think both are true - but I think it’s a reasonable price for the roles the aircraft is designed to fill over that period.


The cost of each product must include a host of costs that fall outside of the simple manufacturing cost of each. These costs are myriad: R&D, engineering, tooling, maintenance program development, documentation, testing, re-designing, etc, etc. Thus the only fair assessment of the cost of each aircraft must be calculated as COST_OF_PROGRAM / NUMBER_OF_AIRCRAFT.

This phenomenon has been discussed ad nauseum when pricing the development cost of a new pharmaceutical drug. ALL of a pharma's annual corporate research and development costs must be divided only by the number of new drugs that year. Only THAT accurately accounts for the actual cost of developing each drug, given the number of drug candidates that fail during gestation.

Military hardware is no different. Many bids on new contracts fall through. That expense is part of the cost of doing business w/ the military. In fact, if all of Lockheed's many expenditures (productive and unproductive) were divided by the number of its shipped products (w/ cost proportionate to sale price), the actual cost of each shipped product would be substantially higher than is reported. This is an age-old game played by every government contractor to hide the true extent of how much each of their products finally cost the taxpayers. (Not to mention the practice of hiding the high fraction of cost-plus contract overruns in that business.)


For a military, non WW2 plane, 1000 aircraft is a lot. The US government plans on buying around ~1700 F35 and US allies have orders for another ~1000 F35. Overtime I would expect the number of orders for f35 to keep going up.


China has built a couple HTR SMR[1] and is also currently building a PWR SMR[2]. And in the United States, Nuscale is looking to have the UAMPS project starting to supply energy in 2029[3].

[1]: https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Demonstration-HT...

[2]: https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Chinese-SMR-cont...

[3]: https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Fieldwork-comple...


Have you been to a Fred Myers recently? It's amazing how much stuff in the meat and dairy sections are not available anymore.


Public health officials should tread carefully otherwise they risk alienating large segments of the population. Which would inturn be bad for public health.


Already happened. The resistance to a lot of the public policies in NA (both US/Canada) during the pandemic is directly due to instances of overreach such as this.


That's a very very optimistic interpretation of North Americans' behavior.


In Australia the government has largely lost control of the population. They tried to lock down hard and faced resistance but every time they try to crack down harder or enforce the rules more, they get bigger protests.

Now they have just given up entirely and even the most minor restrictions and requests are largely ignored.


Do you live in the same Australia that I'm living in? Because that's not what I've observed at all, at least in Victoria.

For better or worse, the vase majority of Australians have complied with whatever restrictions and mandates that governments have put in place. VIC and NSW, which have borne the brunt of cases and broadly mandated vaccination, have ~95% of people aged 16+ vaccinated. People have generally complied with lockdown restrictions and requirements to wear masks.

Despite the media attention they garner, the protests involve a small minority of people. Victoria didn't see any significant opposition to lockdowns until the later half of this year. Most people seem happy enough getting paid $700 a week to sit at home and play Xbox.

That said, I have noticed that increasingly people are not bothering with the more tedious requirements such as wearing masks and checking in. I wouldn't say anywhere close to "largely ignored" though. I get the impression (from people I know) that it's mostly due to fatigue and risk habituation, rather than alienation.


Australia _has_ had pretty good compliance but I don't think they have control anymore. I don't think any state has the power to pull another lockdown, it just wouldn't go down with the public. When I was in Melbourne last week, mask rules were frequently ignored, QR codes entirely ignored and the majority of non essential businesses did not check my vaccine proof. I also had business owners tell me how they hate the government forcing them to check the vaccine proofs.

Vic tried to pull tighter restrictions which resulted in mass protests and the PM saying something along the lines of "The people have had enough of restrictions", after that restrictions have been going away.


I think it's too late.


I love my 2017 Ford Focus RS! It has a touch screen but besides for that there's no lane assist, automatic breaking, or any other driver assists. I also love that it is a manual, however some people may not like that. Also they only made it from 2016 - 2018 and used ones are expensive. But check it out if you want a modern, fast, manual car with minimal digital none sense.


I guess it depends on where you work. I have "unlimited pto" and over the last 5 years I've taken at least a month a year.


So you want country wide restrictions solely for your own comfort? Sounds incredibly selfish.


That is exactly what people are asking for and it is super selfish. Asking everybody to hunker down to assuage people who continue to be afraid.

Sorry. Life is short. I’ve sacrificed 1.6 years of it for something I’ve never been afraid of. I’ve played by all the rules, but enough is enough. It is super selfish to insist we continue to live this way. We aren’t living, we are being kept alive… life was meant to be lived.


I don't care about myself but the social isolation of kids was pretty bad. I hope we can get back to where they can fully interact with each other again.


We could do it today if we wanted to. The only thing stoping it is tribalism and irrational fear.


[flagged]


Machismo? Dude. 1.6 years is a non trivial amount of my life. I’ve already put my career on hold because of this, sacrificed my daughters well being, and a bunch of stuff. I got the shot. I’m fully vaccinated. How much more do you expect from me in order to protect people who don’t want to get vaccinated?

The only person who truly looks after my well-being is me. I can be selfish. I deserve to have my actual normal life back. My 2019 life didnt revolve around worrying about stopping the spread of exactly one very specific disease.

If y’all want to hide under the bed at home until some undefined end date… go for it. But forcing society to do the same with you is incredibly selfish.


Totally agree with you, after both of my shots are done. I have been vaccinated, my parents have been vaccinated. A major percentage of the country is vaccinated. Even if after vaccination, I can get covid, then I am willing to take the risk of dying. What else am I supposed to do? How many years will we be in this state. Let's just accept that this is harsh truth about humanity and move on.


You really don't see the irony in this statement, do you.


Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: